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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v3 00/21] mm: change behavior of pXdp_get()/pXd_page() in compile-time folded pgtable
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2026 09:24:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqpSWIp_YrLPKBBp@e129823.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260902-dummy_ptxp3-v3-0-5d8f5b17c25c@arm.com>
Hi all,
Are there any further comments on this series?
If not, I’ll post the series without the RFC tag sometime next week :)
Thanks!
> Using ptep_get() and its counterparts in common code is suboptimal on
> kernel configurations with generic compile-time folded page tables.
> By default, ptep_get() and its friends expands to READ_ONCE(),
> forcing the compiler to emit a load even when the value is not used afterwards.
>
> This issue was recently reported by Christophe Leroy [1] for ppc32
> preventing futher code conversion to ptep_get()/pmdp_get()/... helper
> and the same behavior can also be observed on arm64 when built with
> 2- or 3-level page tables
>
> e.g) perf_get_page_size() in arm64 with CONFIG_PGTABLE_LEVEL=3:
>
> 00000000000052a0 <perf_get_page_size>:
> ...
> 52dc: d53b4234 mrs x20, DAIF
> 52e0: d50343df msr DAIFSet, #0x3
> ...
> 52fc: d35e9a69 ubfx x9, x19, #30, #9 /* pud_offset_lockless() */
> 5300: f9403508 ldr x8, [x8, #0x68]
> 5304: f869790a ldr x10, [x8, x9, lsl #3] /* pudp_get() */
> 5308: f90007ea str x10, [sp, #0x8]
> 530c: f8697908 ldr x8, [x8, x9, lsl #3] /* pudp_get() */
> ...
> 5360: 90000009 adrp x9, 0x5000 <perf_prepare_sample+0x548>
> 5364: 92746908 and x8, x8, #0x7ffffff000
> 5368: d3557675 ubfx x21, x19, #21, #9 /* pmd_offset_lockless() */
> ...
> 5394: f8757ac8 ldr x8, [x22, x21, lsl #3] /* pmdp_get() */
>
> Though PGTABLE_LEVEL=3, since the pudp_get() still remain with
> READ_ONCE(), there's redundant load for the pud which is folded.
>
> To prevent generating suboptimal code, make pXdp_get() return a dummy
> entry for compile-time folded page tables, make the helpers such as
> pXd_offset()/pXd_offset_lockless(), set_pXd() validate dummy entries
> at compile time to catch the wrong usage and prohibit calls to
> pXd_page() in pgtable-nopXd.h.
>
> This series does not change the behaviour of existing code that directly
> manipulates folded page-table levels using set_pgd(), pgd_page_vaddr(), and
> related helpers. Those helpers continue to behave as before.
>
> The new restrictions only apply to code that adopts the pXdp_get()-based
> access model for compile-time folded page tables.
>
> As the pXdp_get() can return *dummy* entry, some of code using
> the stack value where saves the pXdp_get() could be a problematic:
>
> 1. Passing address of stack value where saves the pXdp_get() result
> to pXd_offset() for example:
>
> pud_t *pudp, pud;
> pmd_t *pmdp;
>
> pud = pudp_get(pudp, address);
> pmdp = pmd_offset(&pud, pud, address);
>
> (e.g. host_pfn_mapping_level() in loongarch).
>
> 2. Using the pXdp_get() result to use as argument of pXd_val() and
> to check prot without checking pgtable is folded.
> for example, x86's effective_prot().
>
> 3. Using set_pXd() with pXdp_get() will set problematic dummy entry
> in folded page table like:
>
> set_pXd(pxdp, pXdp_get(pxdp_k));
>
> 4. Using pgd_page_vaddr() to get the first-level pgtable.
> passing dummy pxdp_get() for pgd_page_vaddr() will return wrong
> address. Therefore, make pgd_page_vaddr() and pXd_pgtable() to
> trigger the error for improper usage with folded dummy entry in the
> generic compile-time folded pgtable.
>
> Thanksfully, above cases are rare since (1) most of usage using
> pXd_offset() with result of upper pXd_offset(), (2) it's extreamely
> rare to use pXd_val() for non-leaf entry in the kernel,
> (3) is to handle the vmalloc_fault or set the first level of page table
> and (4) to setup early page table and etc.
>
> Therefore, properly handle this uncommon and problematic pattern, and
> document the current design of compile-time folded page tables.
>
> This patch is based on mm-unstable.
>
> Future work
> ===========
> - print_bad_page_map() and show_pte() still prints dummy values
> instead of printing the same content for all generic compile-time
> folded page tables. We might want to skip printing dummy values later.
>
> - We currently catch abuse of dummy values on the stack at compile-time by
> relying on constant propagation by the compiler. Usama's work [3] on using
> distinct types for sw vs. hw PTEs could help here as well."
>
> - Clean up vmalloc fault handling by synchronizing the vmalloc entry on
> 32-bit architectures. This code is almost identical across architectures.
>
> - Unfortunately, the current design of compile-time folded page tables appears
> to be internally consistent but confusing. For example,
> when CONFIG_PGTABLE_LEVELS is 2, p4d, pud, and pmd are expected to
> be folded into pgd. However, the architecture code uses set_pmd()
> to update the top-level page-table entry, even though it includes pgtable-nopmd.h.
>
> In the future, it would be good to eliminate this source of confusion,
> possibly by treating all folded upper levels consistently as dummy wrappers
> around the highest real page-table level:
>
> NOPGD
> --> +------+ P4D
> | ptr0 |-------> +------+ PUD
> +------+ | ptr0 |-------> +-----+
> | ptr1 |- | ptr | -------> ...
> | ptr2 | \ | ptr |
> | ptr3 | \ ...
> ... \
> \ PUD
> +----> +-----+
> | ptr | -------> ...
> | ptr |
> ...
>
> Patch History
> =============
> from v2 to v3:
> - repasre commit message
> - move ptdump_pgtable_first_level() into pgalloc.h
> - skip the huge pud operation when CONFIG_X86_DIRECT_GBPAGES is disabled
> - docuemtns compile-time folded page table
> - drop the applied patch.
> - https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260722-dummy_ptxp3-v2-0-d9e4bad31e0a@arm.com/
>
> from v1 to v2:
> - Restore slient fallback to next pXd in set_pXd() and pXd_pgtable()
> and add check whether they're called with dummy entry.
> - Add some comment for returning first entry of pgd in arm with
> 2 pgtable-level
> - https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260713135614.1618183-1-yeoreum.yun@arm.com/
>
> Link: [1] https://lore.kernel.org/all/0019d675-ce3d-4a5c-89ed-f126c45145c9@kernel.org/
> Link: [2] https://lore.kernel.org/all/20251113014656.2605447-1-samuel.holland@sifive.com/
> Link: [3] https://lore.kernel.org/r/74182e50-b54f-4d2d-a27f-3a59a538d6bc@arm.com
> ---
> David Hildenbrand (Arm) (13):
> ARM: mm: make nommu pgd_t a scalar
> ARM: mm: make 2-level pgd_t a scalar
> ARM: mm: remove custom pgdp_get()
> LoongArch: mm: define pud_leaf() only when PUD exists
> MIPS: mm: define pud_leaf() only when PUD exists
> mm/pgtable: define (pgd|p4d|pud)_leaf() for folded page tables
> mm/pgtable: define (pgd|p4d|pud)_offset_lockless() for folded page tables
> openrisc/pgtable: drop __pmd_offset()
> mm/pgtable: optimize pmdp_get() and friends for folded pagetable levels
> mm/pgtable: catch abuse of folded dummy pgd_t/p4d_t/pud_t
> mm/pgtable: disallow calling (pgd|p4d|pud)_page, pgd_page_vaddr() and (p4d|pud)_pgtable with dummy
> mm/pgtable: disallow calling folded set_pgd/set_p4d/set_pud with dummy
> Documentation: mm: clarify behaviour of compile-time folded page tables
>
> Yeoreum Yun (8):
> mm: vmscan: remove stack copy address of pud/pmd pass in walk_pud/pmd_range()
> loongarch: kvm: remove stack copy address of pXd in pXd_offset()
> riscv: kvm: remove stack copy address of pXd in pXd_offset()
> riscv: mm: use proper set_pXd() for generic compile-time folded patable in vmalloc_fault()
> mm/pgtable: redefine PGTABLE_LEVEL enum with ascend order from PGD
> x86: mm: use pgtable_level enum in effective_prot_pXd()
> x86: mm: carve out the generic compile-time folded pgtable case in effective_prot()
> x86: mm: skip collapse_pud_page() when CONFIG_X86_DIRECT_GBPAGES disabled
>
> Documentation/mm/page_tables.rst | 84 +++++++++++++++++++++++++----
> arch/arm/include/asm/page-nommu.h | 4 +-
> arch/arm/include/asm/pgtable-2level-types.h | 20 +++++--
> arch/arm/include/asm/pgtable.h | 2 -
> arch/arm64/include/asm/pgtable.h | 23 --------
> arch/loongarch/include/asm/pgtable.h | 2 +
> arch/loongarch/kvm/mmu.c | 20 ++++---
> arch/mips/include/asm/pgtable.h | 2 +
> arch/openrisc/include/asm/pgtable.h | 3 --
> arch/riscv/kvm/mmu.c | 20 ++++---
> arch/riscv/mm/fault.c | 52 +++++++++++-------
> arch/x86/mm/dump_pagetables.c | 18 ++++---
> arch/x86/mm/pat/set_memory.c | 2 +-
> include/asm-generic/pgtable-nop4d.h | 54 +++++++++++++++----
> include/asm-generic/pgtable-nopmd.h | 54 +++++++++++++++----
> include/asm-generic/pgtable-nopud.h | 56 +++++++++++++++----
> include/linux/pgtable.h | 69 +++++++++++++++++-------
> mm/vmscan.c | 4 +-
> 18 files changed, 352 insertions(+), 137 deletions(-)
> ---
> base-commit: e3b5239afe1b8f0194db7436b17c33e94c1988c4
> change-id: 20260722-dummy_ptxp3-3741d78cc70f
>
> Best regards,
> --
> Sincerely,
> Yeoreum Yun
>
--
Sincerely,
Yeoreum Yun
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-16 8:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-02 11:56 Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 01/21] ARM: mm: make nommu pgd_t a scalar Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 02/21] ARM: mm: make 2-level " Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 03/21] ARM: mm: remove custom pgdp_get() Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 04/21] LoongArch: mm: define pud_leaf() only when PUD exists Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 05/21] MIPS: " Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 06/21] mm/pgtable: define (pgd|p4d|pud)_leaf() for folded page tables Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 07/21] mm/pgtable: define (pgd|p4d|pud)_offset_lockless() " Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 08/21] mm: vmscan: remove stack copy address of pud/pmd pass in walk_pud/pmd_range() Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 09/21] loongarch: kvm: remove stack copy address of pXd in pXd_offset() Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 10/21] riscv: " Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 11/21] riscv: mm: use proper set_pXd() for generic compile-time folded patable in vmalloc_fault() Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 12/21] mm/pgtable: redefine PGTABLE_LEVEL enum with ascend order from PGD Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-10 11:05 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 13/21] x86: mm: use pgtable_level enum in effective_prot_pXd() Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 20:48 ` Dave Hansen
2026-09-07 8:06 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-10 11:02 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-10 15:29 ` Dave Hansen
2026-09-10 11:03 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 14/21] x86: mm: carve out the generic compile-time folded pgtable case in effective_prot() Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 20:46 ` Dave Hansen
2026-09-10 11:06 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 15/21] x86: mm: skip collapse_pud_page() when CONFIG_X86_DIRECT_GBPAGES disabled Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 15:38 ` Dave Hansen
2026-09-02 16:48 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-10 11:07 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 16/21] openrisc/pgtable: drop __pmd_offset() Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 17/21] mm/pgtable: optimize pmdp_get() and friends for folded pagetable levels Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 18/21] mm/pgtable: catch abuse of folded dummy pgd_t/p4d_t/pud_t Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 19/21] mm/pgtable: disallow calling (pgd|p4d|pud)_page, pgd_page_vaddr() and (p4d|pud)_pgtable with dummy Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 20/21] mm/pgtable: disallow calling folded set_pgd/set_p4d/set_pud " Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-02 11:56 ` [PATCH RFC v3 21/21] Documentation: mm: clarify behaviour of compile-time folded page tables Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-10 11:12 ` [PATCH RFC v3 00/21] mm: change behavior of pXdp_get()/pXd_page() in compile-time folded pgtable David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-16 8:24 ` Yeoreum Yun [this message]
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