From: Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
Cc: Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huaweicloud.com>,
Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>,
linux-coco@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Suzuki Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
Sami Mujawar <sami.mujawar@arm.com>,
"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@kernel.org>,
Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
gongruiqi1@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 0/3] security: ima: support TSM measurement registers
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2026 17:39:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ar6MuKSDQc9J8o-6@e129823.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261001151801.GC3019323@ziepe.ca>
Hi Jason,
> On Thu, Oct 01, 2026 at 01:45:26PM +0200, Roberto Sassu wrote:
> > On Thu, 2026-10-01 at 13:27 +0200, Roberto Sassu wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2026-09-30 at 14:43 +0100, Yeoreum Yun wrote:
> > > > Confidential computing guests without a TPM can use TSM measurement
> > > > registers to record IMA measurement digests instead of TPM PCRs.
> >
> > + Gong Ruiqi, of course.
>
> We are working very seriously on this same problem too.
>
> For some time we did investigate extending tsm_mr to do more things,
> have a better uAPI, but that eventually evolved into the realization
> that tsm_mr is simply too narrowly focused. It looks like James got to
> this idea before we did. I agree with his remarks in the 2025 thread
> with Gong.
>
> So we've started work on a new comprehensive "Attestation subsytem"
> that will pull in all forms of ROTs, TPM, CC stuff and SPDM use cases
> to give a consistent user API to work with this class of HW. In many
> ways I view this as a rename of tsm_mr (it will eventually fully
> absorb it), but the name evokes the broader goal and encourages
> everyone to come in, not just CC world.
>
> Our overall goal would be for something like systemd to have a single
> uniform kernel API that allows it interwork with any ROT someone may
> have. A uAPI to do "Extend", "Quote", "Get Log" operations so that the
> existing TPM support in systemd can be improved to work on any ROT
> flexibly without having to hard code specific ROT behaviors into
> systemd.
>
> I've felt the ultimate end goal would be to make all the in-kernel tpm
> users go through the proposed attestation subsystem so they can have
> ROT and "PCR profile" agility. Certainly I've heard enough people
> asking for this.
>
> This is a broader topic than just IMA. For example DRTM also has to
> use the TPM, and other ROTs. It also brings in a global shift of how
> the system wide "PCR Profile" should work as post-DRTM has a different
> TPM locality and access to the protected DRTM-only PCRs that are
> normally blocked.
>
> Jiri posted his current state here:
> https://lore.kernel.org/r/arzr32ZDComnfmny@FV6GYCPJ69
Thanks to let me know. I'll take a look for this.
--
Sincerely,
Yeoreum Yun
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-01 16:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-30 13:43 Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-30 13:43 ` [PATCH RFC 1/3] virt: coco: introduce tsm_default_tm() and tsm_mr_read()/write() Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-30 13:44 ` [PATCH RFC 2/3] security: IMA: introduce ima_mr structure Yeoreum Yun
2026-09-30 13:44 ` [PATCH RFC 3/3] security: IMA: use TSM measurement registers Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-01 11:27 ` [PATCH RFC 0/3] security: ima: support " Roberto Sassu
2026-10-01 11:45 ` Roberto Sassu
2026-10-01 14:24 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-01 15:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-01 16:39 ` Yeoreum Yun [this message]
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