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Howlett" , "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" , Mike Rapoport , Suren =?utf-8?B?QmFnaGRhc2FyeWFu77+8?= , Qi Zheng , Axel Rasmussen , Yuanchu Xie , Wei Xu , Rik van Riel , Gregory Price , Wenchao Hao , Jonathan Corbet , Hugh Dickins , Baolin Wang , Tejun Heo , Michal =?iso-8859-1?Q?Koutn=FD?= , Shuah Khan , Kunwu Chan , Meta kernel team , Linux Memory Management List , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, "open list:CONTROL GROUP - MEMORY RESOURCE CONTROLLER (MEMCG)" , Andrew Morton , Joshua Hahn Subject: Re: Path forward for Virtualized Swap? Message-ID: References: <5ca344de-bc34-4a9b-ab85-f553811a1d9c@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 04:56:48AM -1000, Chris Li wrote: > On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 4:43 AM Shakeel Butt wrote: > > > > People can speak for themselves and suggest other time slots. You do not speak > > for anyone but yourself here. At this point this is derailing the conversation. > > > > I am expressing my opinion, freedom of speech. As you can see in the > previous discussion, Baoquan wasn't able to join that time slot. He is > a major shareholder in XSwap. I worry that alignment vswap vs xswap > without Baoquan is ineffective. That is my opinion. Actually, he said he is not sure if he can make it, and before Nhat could respond to that soft push you drew a hard line without actually proposing a workable alternative that made Nhat give up instead. So my free speech opinion is the same as Shakeel's: you're speaking for others and thereby derailing efforts to align on something. We all want Baoquan in the room.