From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/14] KVM: Allow architectures to disallow pre-fault
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2026 11:46:18 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <arLM-vJDoO7gQJXM@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <arLJ4AbNN9Y_IUna@gremlin>
On Tue, Sep 22, 2026, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 11:07:53AM -0700, Oliver Upton wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 10:36:49AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2026, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 10:23:43AM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > > > > Rather than have kvm_arch_vcpu_allow_pre_fault_memory(), what if we add a more
> > > > > generic kvm_is_vcpu_loadable()? That way we don't need to worry as much about
> > > > > the return value, the connection to vcpu_load() is obvious, and we don't need to
> > > > > add another pre-check if future (or cleaned-up existing?) ioctls want to do
> > > > > vcpu_load() in common code.
> > > >
> > > > ...this is exactly what I started out with.
> > > >
> > > > But then you are in a pickle, because _really_ you need to do that check in
> > > > vcpu_load(). Which is a void function. Which is called by every single
> > > > architecture all over the place.
> > > >
> > > > So you'd have actually no way of signalling the error back.
> > > >
> > > > Of course those places are arch code and you could say 'arches should know
> > > > better and if they call it it's fine not to call the arch 'can you load'
> > > > function.
> > >
> > > Yes, that's my vote. It'd be easy enough to clarify that "rule" with a comment
> > > in linux/kvm_host.h.
> >
> > I feel like trying to make this generic will wind up under-documenting
> > the single example we have with the pre fault ioctl. Putting the comment
> > into a header practically guarantees that nobody will read it either.
> >
> > I'd favor doing something like below and sticking the comment inline in
> > the ioctl handler. Unless I'm missing something blatantly obvious, I
> > don't see why the x86 or s390 pre-conditions can't be tested early too.
Oh, they definitely can. I'm a-ok with using kvm_arch_pre_fault_allowed() on
s390 and x86, the only option I am against is adding kvm_arch_pre_fault_allowed()
but then not using it on architectures that obviously perform that exact check.
> > --- a/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c
> > +++ b/virt/kvm/kvm_main.c
> > @@ -3961,6 +3961,11 @@ bool __weak kvm_arch_dy_has_pending_interrupt(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
> > return false;
> > }
> >
> > +int __weak kvm_arch_pre_fault_allowed(struct kvm_vcpu *vcpu)
> > +{
> > + return 0;
> > +}
There should be no need for a __weak placeholder since this code is guarded by
CONFIG_KVM_GENERIC_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY=y. I.e. force architectures to define the
API. I don't think it's a coincidence that all of arm64, s390, and x86 ended up
with restrictions; pre-faulting is far from a simple operation.
Actually, that's an argument for a dedicated kvm_arch_pre_fault_allowed() versus
a generic kvm_is_vcpu_loadable(): it helps force future architectures to actually
think about when exactly pre-faulting is safe.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-22 18:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-22 14:17 [PATCH v3 00/14] KVM: arm64: Add KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY support Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 01/14] KVM: Allow architectures to disallow pre-fault Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 16:49 ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 17:23 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-22 17:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 17:36 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-22 18:01 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:40 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-22 18:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:07 ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 18:35 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:46 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-09-22 18:54 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 17:31 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 02/14] arm64: Add ESR fault helpers Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 17:00 ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 17:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 18:13 ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 03/14] KVM: arm64: Use ESR helpers in guest abort handling Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 04/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate and use esr in s2fd when handling guest aborts Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:17 ` [PATCH v3 05/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate and use mmu " Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 06/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate and use kvm_s2_fault_result on S2 fault Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 07/14] KVM: arm64: Size the stage-2 memcache from the fault MMU Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 08/14] KVM: arm64: Propagate EHWPOISON in kvm_s2_fault_pin_pfn() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 09/14] KVM: arm64: Pass walk flags to kvm_pgtable_get_leaf() Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 10/14] KVM: arm64: Implement KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 11/14] Documentation: KVM: document arm64 KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 12/14] KVM: selftests: Enable pre_fault_memory_test for arm64 Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 13/14] KVM: selftests: Add option for different backing in pre-fault tests Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 14:18 ` [PATCH v3 14/14] KVM: selftests: Add nested pre-fault test for arm64 Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-22 20:42 ` [PATCH v3 00/14] KVM: arm64: Add KVM_PRE_FAULT_MEMORY support Oliver Upton
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