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From: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
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	 linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] memcg_ext: memcg policy through cgroup-attached struct_ops
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2026 08:47:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <arPyspcEFNkqfNyr@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALOAHbA4EgGw_uWfbXD0Q87exP7ek=z9ENuU_ARgb+DgBgy1kQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Yafang,

On Wed, Sep 23, 2026 at 09:07:40PM +0800, Yafang Shao wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 3:30 AM Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev> wrote:
> >
[...]
> >
> > Known open questions
> > ====================
> >
> > The semantics of memory.high for remote chargers or kernel threads is a
> > grey area and this series does not aim to resolve that.
> >
> > Another open question is whether a bound on debt deferral is needed. At
> > the moment, we think that rather than putting a limit on deferral for
> > memory.high, it will be better to handle that through an async worker like
> > memcg->high_work.  We aim to introduce that later, along with the right CPU
> > accounting for that async work.
> 
> Hello Shakeel,
> 
> On the open question of how deferred debt eventually gets paid: would
> it make sense for the policy to also notify userspace (e.g. via
> ringbuf) when it defers,

I think the notification through bpf programs is already possible and a bpf
program deciding to bypass memory.high can already do notification via ringbuf.

> and have a userspace reclaimer do the reclaim
> through memory.reclaim?
> 
> I understand one of the concerns for the async worker is CPU
> accounting. If the concern is that the kworker's CPU usage is not
> charged to the target cgroup, the userspace reclaimer could instead be
> spawned with clone3(CLONE_INTO_CGROUP) so it runs inside the target
> cgroup, and both its CPU and memory usage get charged there.
> 
> One caveat: intermediate cgroups with the no-internal-process
> constraint cannot take processes, so this would only work for leaf
> cgroups.
> 
> What do you think?

I think all of this is possible without additional code and with this series.
With AI, should be very easy to prototype it. Please take a stab and I will look
into it as well (time permitting).

Thanks for taking a look and also please let me know what other ways you think
memcg can be customized through BPF in a beneficial way.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-23 15:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-21 19:25 Shakeel Butt
2026-09-21 19:25 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] bpf, cgroup: fix cgroup struct_ops query for a second attach type Shakeel Butt
2026-09-21 20:19   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-09-21 19:25 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] memcg_ext: add cgroup-attached bpf_memcg_ops Shakeel Butt
2026-09-21 19:25 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] memcg_ext: allow BPF to defer memory.high enforcement Shakeel Butt
2026-09-24 20:14   ` JP Kobryn
2026-09-24 21:19     ` Shakeel Butt
2026-09-21 19:25 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] selftests/bpf: add a cgroupfs lock-holder bpf_memcg_ops sample Shakeel Butt
2026-09-23 13:07 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] memcg_ext: memcg policy through cgroup-attached struct_ops Yafang Shao
2026-09-23 15:47   ` Shakeel Butt [this message]
2026-09-24 10:01     ` Yafang Shao
2026-09-24 20:42       ` Shakeel Butt

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