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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Leonid Ravich <lravich@amazon.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	ebiggers@kernel.org, agk@redhat.com, snitzer@kernel.org,
	mpatocka@redhat.com, bmarzins@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/6] crypto: skcipher - multi-data-unit request splitting
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2026 22:33:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <arn8IlMrTCEmdhy7@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260927071422.12143-1-lravich@amazon.com>

On Sun, Sep 27, 2026 at 07:14:14AM +0000, Leonid Ravich wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 02:10:47AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2026 at 07:58:40AM +0000, Leonid Ravich wrote:
> > > * No throughput *win* is claimed for software AES.  The win is for
> > >   accelerators that amortise setup across units; the software split
> > >   exists so the interface works on every existing skcipher today and
> > >   goes quiet as algorithms gain CRYPTO_ALG_REQ_SEG.
> >
> > So what is the use case?  So far all crypto driver we've seen have
> > shown to be slower than cpu.  Which one are you using that isn't?
> 
> The engine we use is out of tree, but it is not a special case.  It

It is.  Without you having an upstream stack this is a complete no-go
to start with.

> is an SoC-integrated, DMA-driven, asynchronous xts(aes) engine of the
> same class as caam, ccree, qce, hisilicon sec2, inside-secure and the
> Marvell CPT drivers already in the tree.

Pretty much all of them are broken as f***k everytime someone tried
to use them.

> For a DMA engine the scatterlist is not overhead: it is what the
> hardware consumes.  The per-sector cost it pays is the per-request
> cost, and unit_size is what removes it.

Yes, it is.  Take a look how the scatterlist duplicates information
already handled by the upper layers.  We've been through is a lot
and are moving to the dma_iova_ API because of that.


      reply	other threads:[~2026-09-28  5:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-24  7:58 Leonid Ravich
2026-09-24  7:58 ` [PATCH v6 1/6] crypto: skcipher - add per-request unit_size Leonid Ravich
2026-09-24  7:58 ` [PATCH v6 2/6] crypto: acomp - Add bit to indicate segmentation support Leonid Ravich
2026-09-24  7:58 ` [PATCH v6 3/6] crypto: skcipher - add crypto_skcipher_req_seg() helper Leonid Ravich
2026-09-24  7:58 ` [PATCH v6 4/6] crypto: skcipher - split multi-unit requests in the API layer Leonid Ravich
2026-09-24  7:58 ` [PATCH v6 5/6] crypto: testmgr - test multi-unit dispatch Leonid Ravich
2026-09-24  7:58 ` [PATCH v6 6/6] dm crypt: batch a bio segment's sectors via multi-unit requests Leonid Ravich
2026-09-25  9:10 ` [PATCH v6 0/6] crypto: skcipher - multi-data-unit request splitting Christoph Hellwig
2026-09-27  7:14   ` Leonid Ravich
2026-09-28  5:33     ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]

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