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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 "Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	 Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
	 Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	syzbot+c181d3198e98f8aef8b9@syzkaller.appspotmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] drivers/char/mem: mmap readonly MAP_SHARED-/dev/zero correctly
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2026 16:08:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <arqC3n_o-Xdu3xYO@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f78d2f52-1135-425c-a3e8-460a6e80e19b@kernel.org>

On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 01:59:47PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>
> >
> > It then becomes a question about how to get readonly memory.
> >
> >>
> >> We can
> >>
> >> a) Disallow allocating an anon_vma and fail gracefully. So only a shared
> >>    zeropage could ever get mapped there. Might break the s390x
> >>    mm_forbids_zeropage(). But given that's only used in hypervisors like QEMU,
> >>    unlikely.
> >
> > Something like:
> >
> > 	/* about to maybe prep anon_vma */
> >
> > 	if (!vma_cow_mapping(vma) && vma_test(vma, VMA_MAYSHARE_BIT)) {
> > 		/* don't prep anon give zero page */
> > 	}
> >
> > ?
>
> Something like that, but really just failing directly from anon-vma preparation
> in a !vma_cow_mapping(vma), maybe using a special error code.
>
> But the less we have to hack around this special case, the better.
>
> >
> > I think though it's surely the only case (I hope!) where you can possibly be
> > both anon (as in missing vm_ops) and !CoW? I hope? :)
> >
> > So it feels better to fix it at the source.
> >
> > OTOH maybe it's worth special-casing so we don't allocate on read.
> >
> > But that brings me to c)...
> >
> >
> >>
> >> b) Do what Lorenzo proposes. This will allocate real memory. Someone decided to
> >>    use MAP_SHARED, for unknown reasons, so I'd assume it's unlikely that
> >>    something breaks, but you have a point.
> >
> > I would say this patch is the right fix for the moment to fix the assert, and we
> > can chase up with other approaches afterwards.
>
> It will get backported, so we better be careful.
>
> IIUC, the real change is only for /dev/zero users that
>
> fd = open("/dev/zero", O_RDONLY);
> mmap(fd, MAP_SHARED, PROT_READ);
>
> Which is rather something odd to do indeed.
>
> Letting AI do some digging ... it says there are not known users (I don't trust
> it, but I suspect at least there are no prominent users, which makes sense ...).
>
>
> Getting shared memory when requesting MAP_SHARED does sound like the right thing
> to do ...
>
> So let's try this:
>
> Acked-by: David Hildenbrand (Arm) <david@kernel.org>

Thanks!

Yeah let's revisit this one later more broadly.

>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-28 15:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-24 14:48 Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 15:08 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-09-24 15:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-24 15:42     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-09-24 15:37 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-25  2:58   ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-25  7:29     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-25  8:38       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-28 11:59         ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-28 15:08           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]
2026-09-29  0:26           ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-29  6:14             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)

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