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From: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>
To: Li Zhe <lizhe.67@bytedance.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@kernel.org, ljs@kernel.org,
	 joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com, ziy@nvidia.com, mingo@redhat.com,
	peterz@infradead.org,  mgorman@suse.de, riel@redhat.com,
	juri.lelli@redhat.com,  vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	 bsegall@google.com, vschneid@redhat.com, kprateek.nayak@amd.com,
	 linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] sched/numa: do not feed tiering promotions into task placement stats
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2026 09:26:36 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <as-CxqUTS-DjO5HU@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261014094347.99157-6-lizhe.67@bytedance.com>

On Wed, Oct 14, 2026 at 05:43:46PM +0800, Li Zhe wrote:
> NUMA balancing has separate mode bits for normal task placement and
> memory tiering. In memory-tiering-only mode, NUMA hinting faults on
> slow-tier pages are used to detect hot pages and promote them to a top
> tier. They are not normal task-placement faults.
> 
> task_numa_fault() already avoids normal placement accounting for slow-tier
> faults while memory tiering is enabled. However, a successful slow-to-fast
> promotion can bypass that check. do_numa_page() reports the destination
> node to task_numa_fault() after migration, so the fault is seen as a
> top-tier fault and can update p->numa_faults, task placement state and
> the preferred NUMA node.
> 
> Slow-tier PTEs store access-time metadata in the folio last-cpupid field.
> Before this change, numa_migrate_check() returned the same all-ones
> last_cpupid value for those faults that normal AutoNUMA uses for a first
> or unknown access. Those cases are different: the ordinary unset value
> means there is no previous CPU/PID sample, while a slow-tier access-time
> value means the field does not contain a cpupid at all.
> 
> Name the ordinary all-ones sentinel LAST_CPUPID_UNSET and use it for the
> normal first/unknown cpupid state. Return a distinct
> LAST_CPUPID_ACCESS_TIME value while the folio still carries access-time
> metadata. If normal NUMA balancing is disabled, keep the migrated-page
> accounting but skip normal task-placement accounting for those faults.
> 
> When normal NUMA balancing and memory tiering are both enabled, promoted
> pages can still feed task placement. In that mode, the user has enabled
> both CPU placement feedback and tiering promotion, so a promoted top-tier
> fault is treated as an ordinary unset-cpupid AutoNUMA fault.
> 
> A stale access-time value can also survive after memory tiering is
> disabled and later reach task_numa_fault() from a top-tier page, where
> the slow-tier validation no longer applies. Treat any remaining invalid
> last_cpupid as LAST_CPUPID_UNSET before task_numa_group() can decode a
> CPU from it.
> 
> This does not change whether a page is promoted. It only prevents
> memory-tiering-only promotion faults from being consumed by the normal
> AutoNUMA placement heuristic.
>

Similarly with prior patches - this is a pretty major change. Although I
agree with the premise, do you have any performance numbers that show
this change is beneficial?

It's quite difficult to determine what the user-face effects of this
change would be other than expecting some kind of performance benefit.

~Gregory

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-14 13:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-14  9:43 [PATCH 0/6] sched/numa: fix several NUMA balancing issues Li Zhe
2026-10-14  9:43 ` [PATCH 1/6] sched/numa: clear fault locality state on execve Li Zhe
2026-10-14 13:02   ` Gregory Price
2026-10-14  9:43 ` [PATCH 2/6] sched/numa: fix scan-period ratio denominator checks Li Zhe
2026-10-14 12:56   ` Gregory Price
2026-10-14  9:43 ` [PATCH 3/6] sched/numa: fix scan-period adjustment for shared faults Li Zhe
2026-10-14 13:12   ` Gregory Price
2026-10-14  9:43 ` [PATCH 4/6] sched/numa: make free-space tiering promotion bypass configurable Li Zhe
2026-10-14 13:16   ` Gregory Price
2026-10-14  9:43 ` [PATCH 5/6] sched/numa: do not feed tiering promotions into task placement stats Li Zhe
2026-10-14 13:26   ` Gregory Price [this message]
2026-10-14  9:43 ` [PATCH 6/6] sched/numa: ignore preferred nodes without normal balancing Li Zhe
2026-10-14 13:30   ` Gregory Price

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