From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Babanpreet Singh <bbnpreetsingh@gmail.com>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
Pavel Tikhomirov <ptikhomirov@virtuozzo.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
syzbot+c382ee653fd70f5cf1bb@syzkaller.appspotmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] pid: use READ_ONCE() in pid_alive()
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2026 15:14:26 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <asJRMhSXz5XhljNi@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261004125118.7de53b47@pumpkin>
On 10/04, David Laight wrote:
>
> On Sun, 4 Oct 2026 12:55:34 +0200
> Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Yep. That is why do_each_pid_task() needs tasklist_lock.
> >
> > This is the known fact, let me quote the part of my old email
> > https://lore.kernel.org/all/20200512150936.GA28621@redhat.com/
> >
> > > Currently the tasklist_lock is shared mainly in order to observe
> > > the list atomically for the PRIO_PGRP and PRIO_USER cases, as
> > > the actual lookups are already rcu-safe,
> >
> > not really...
> >
> > do_each_pid_task(PIDTYPE_PGID) can race with change_pid(PIDTYPE_PGID)
> > which moves the task from one hlist to another. Yes, it is safe in
> > that task_struct can't go away. But still this is not right because
> > do_each_pid_task() can scan the wrong (2nd) hlist.
> >
> > Somehow I thought this was documented, but it isn't. And this is not obvious.
> > I think this deserves a comment above do_each_pid_task(), will send the patch.
>
> I guess the rcu protection lets the task exit without holding the lock?
> Is that really significant given the other things that happen during task exit.
Sorry, I don't understand your question...
> Could do_each_pid_task() use hlist_nulls_for_each_entry_rcu() and rescan
> if it got the wrong terminator.
> Or does scanning twice cause grief as well.
I don't think it can. Say, __kill_pgrp_info() is a "typical" user of
do_each_pid_task(). What can it do if it detects that get_nulls_value()
doesn't match after the main loop? The signal was already sent.
Oleg.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-04 13:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-02 1:21 Babanpreet Singh
2026-10-02 6:33 ` Bradley Morgan
2026-10-02 11:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-10-03 17:22 ` David Laight
2026-10-04 10:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-10-04 11:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-10-04 11:51 ` David Laight
2026-10-04 13:14 ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2026-10-04 13:31 ` David Laight
2026-10-05 15:03 ` Oleg Nesterov
2026-10-05 18:46 ` David Laight
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