From: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>
Cc: <iommu@lists.linux.dev>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 11/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add CMDQ_PROD_STOP_FLAG to gate CMDQ submissions
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2026 10:26:41 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <asUvUf4PZJ7JCLXp@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <asAeCz_rmpe5hbsh@google.com>
On Fri, Oct 02, 2026 at 09:11:39PM +0000, Pranjal Shrivastava wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 02, 2026 at 01:47:48PM -0300, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 01, 2026 at 11:03:15AM -0700, Nicolin Chen wrote:
> >
> > > > So we can't issue ATC_INVs during suspend (the EP is already down), nor
> > > > during resume (the SMMU resumes *before* the EP is made active). The EP
> > > > can't use its ATC while suspended, and if it loses power/resets on the
> > > > way back to D0 (from D3cold, or D3hot with No_Soft_Reset=0), it comes
> > > > back with an empty ATC.. same assumption the PCI reset path makes today
> > > > (pci_dev_reset_iommu_prepare()).
> > >
> > > In that case, would the STOP flag be too late? It's only set in
> > > the middle of the SMMU suspend. So, an ATC command (via doamin
> > > invalidation) might be issued prior to the Point of Commitment,
> > > which will be timed out due to the unresponding EP?
> >
> > How can you ever fix that?
>
> The unfortunate reality is that this gap exists in the kernel even
> today.. upstream SMMUv3 has no RPM, so it's always on, while the EPs can
> runtime suspend independently. So an ATC_INV can already be issued to
> an EP that has suspended. I'd argue RPM improves this slightly, since
> once the STOP flag is set everything is elided, so the window closes at
> SMMU suspend instead of never.
That doesn't sound very convincing though...
> > How does power management really work, is it expected that the end
> > device is already quieted by its driver?
> >
>
> Yes, power management would topo-sort all dependencies and invoke
> suspend callbacks accordingly, i.e. in our case the suspend callbacks of
> all SMMU clients would be called before the SMMU's suspend callback.
If that's guaranteed, we should probably -EBUSY the suspend if one
STE isn't aborted.
> > Could the first step in power management install a blocked STE? Then
> > we don't have to worry about ATC desync and that automatically stops
> > generating new ATC invalidations if we go and detact the domains too
> >
>
> Partially.. at SMMU suspend we set GBPA to abort and clear SMMUEN, so
> nothing gets through while the SMMU is off. But that's global and only
> happens after all EPs are down, it doesn't stop ATC_INVs in the window
> Nicolin pointed out.
>
> One way to ensure the ATC state is relying on the PCIe spec to lose ATC
> content during D0 entry from D3cold, or D3hot with No_Soft_Reset=0).
>
> Another way to enforce this, is to *somehow* ask the endpoint drivers
> disable ATS during *their* suspend, i.e. in the EP's driver's suspend
> they could call pci_disable_ats or a better suited helper from pci core
> and the in the pm_resume / rpm_resume they could call it's equivalent
> pci_enable_ats, counterpart ensuring a clean ATS state. Or maybe the
pci_enable/disable_ats is used by IOMMU drivers only.
> pci_dev_reset_iommu_prepare/done() pair (with slight refactoring) in EP's
> suspend/resume?
That sounds right to me, though a different API for suspend/resume
will be required. And call them in pci_pm_runtime_suspend/resume()
maybe.
Jason, how do you think about this?
> I could mention this explicitly in some comments or dev_warn if any of
> the masters have ATS state as ON during suspend?
>
> LMK what you guys think of that?
>
> > Maybe I'm wondering if power management should involve the core code
> > so it detaches all the domains from the device, setups up blocking and
> > then the iommu itself could power ofF?
>
> I'm slightly against the blocking domain attach because it's a
> reasonable ask for the client drivers to be able to dma_map / unmap when
> they're suspended, given that most of the modern IOMMU state is
> in-memory and the only HW state is some sort of TLB/ATC maintenance. We
> can map/unmap when the IOMMU is off and just ensure a clean cache state.
> Drivers often want to pre-map everything, power ON just to run their
> workload, power off and then unmap.
If it's about mapping, it shouldn't be a problem: while a device is
in suspend state, iommu_group->domain would point to the DMA domain.
This is similar to the resetting flow that only sets gdev->blocked.
Nicolin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-06 17:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-29 3:44 [PATCH v11 00/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Implement Runtime/System Sleep ops Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:44 ` [PATCH v11 01/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Refactor arm_smmu_setup_irqs Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:44 ` [PATCH v11 02/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add Q_POS() macro Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:44 ` [PATCH v11 03/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add arm_smmu_drain_queue() helper Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-30 18:24 ` Nicolin Chen
2026-09-30 20:17 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:44 ` [PATCH v11 04/16] iommu/tegra241-cmdqv: Add a helper to drain VCMDQs Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:44 ` [PATCH v11 05/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add a helper to drain cmd queues Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 06/16] iommu/tegra241-cmdqv: Restore PROD and CONS after resume Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 07/16] genirq/msi: Cache MSI message in irq_chip_write_msi_msg() Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 08/16] genirq/msi: Provide msi_device_domain_restore_msi_msgs() Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 09/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Restore MSI config on resume Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 10/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Factor out arm_smmu_handle_gerror() Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-30 18:34 ` Nicolin Chen
2026-09-30 20:00 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-30 20:12 ` Nicolin Chen
2026-09-30 20:03 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 11/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add CMDQ_PROD_STOP_FLAG to gate CMDQ submissions Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-30 20:33 ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-01 5:40 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-10-01 18:03 ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-02 16:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-02 21:11 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-10-06 17:26 ` Nicolin Chen [this message]
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 12/16] iommu/tegra241-cmdqv: Add a helper to quiesce VCMDQs Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-30 19:02 ` Nicolin Chen
2026-09-30 19:57 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-30 20:03 ` Nicolin Chen
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 13/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Implement pm_runtime & system sleep ops Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-10-01 20:22 ` Nicolin Chen
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 14/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Enable pm_runtime and setup devlinks Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 15/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Invoke pm_runtime before hw access Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-29 3:45 ` [PATCH v11 16/16] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Add KUnit unit tests for Runtime PM Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-10-01 19:12 ` Nicolin Chen
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