From: Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>, Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>,
"David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>,
Ilya Gladyshev <ilya.gladyshev@linux.dev>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Improve page refcount scalability
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2026 02:12:19 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <atA2g8OgpiNOiVL_@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wh+1Hz+3HJ8evmh=FKO1fCGiwuNTqArXEfe-tAJ6hDy0A@mail.gmail.com>
On 10/14, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Oct 2026 at 10:44, Kirill A. Shutemov <kirill@shutemov.name> wrote:
> >
> > I already have it:
>
> So that was my thinking too, but I have my notes (from the original
> truncage/hole punch patch) about mapping_exiting() being problematic
> due to f2fs playing games with it.
>
> Now, that's probably just a f2fs bug waiting to happen independently
> of this. But the path is
>
> ioctl(F2FS_IOC_START_ATOMIC_REPLACE) ->
> f2fs_ioc_start_atomic_write() ->
> truncate_inode_pages_final()
>
> and that truncate_inode_pages_final() is the problem - it's what sets
> mapping_set_exiting() on a live inode.
>
> I had this as a note for the original branch, and it became a
> non-issue with the change to the "set PG_rcu_free on hot pages in the
> read path" instead.
>
> But your change makes it an issue again.
>
> Now, I think f2fs really is just buggy here. Calling
> truncate_inode_pages_final() on something that is still live
> afterwards is wrong - because it's not "final". As far as I can tell,
> there may still be hundreds of active readers holding that fd open.
F2FS_IOC_START_ATOMIC_REPLACE was supposed to replace a heavy ATOMIC_FILE class
in Android, consisting of 1) creating a backup file, 2) write data to the file, 3)
fsync(), 4) rename(to original one), 5) fsync(dir).
Indeed, it's a bug that user can see zeros between F2FS_IOC_START_ATOMIC_REPLACE
and F2FS_IOC_COMMIT_ATOMIC_WRITE. I think we need to move the truncation path
into the commit phase and use truncate_inode_pages() instead.
>
> I might be wrong. Adding Jaegeuk to the cc.
>
> Linus
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-15 2:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-13 18:43 Linus Torvalds
2026-10-13 21:03 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-10-13 21:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-13 23:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-10-14 10:36 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-14 10:46 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-13 22:43 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-13 23:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-14 11:53 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-10-14 15:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-10-14 0:10 ` Harry Yoo
2026-10-14 1:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-14 13:59 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-10-14 16:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-14 16:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-14 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-14 17:43 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2026-10-14 18:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-10-15 2:12 ` Jaegeuk Kim [this message]
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