From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>
Cc: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko@kernel.org>,
"Andrew G. Morgan" <morgan@kernel.org>,
Serge Hallyn <sergeh@kernel.org>,
linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] capabilities: close the ways around the CAP_SETFCAP rule for uid 0
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2026 07:01:14 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <atYGiiGPs39lTFQ7@hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <179191993398.6.7035194670175996999@toxicpanda.com>
On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 07:32:13PM +0000, Josef Bacik wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 09, 2026 at 09:41:59AM +0200, Christian Brauner wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 08, 2026 at 11:13:57AM -0500, Serge Hallyn wrote:
> > > Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Or even stricter: ensure that to join
> > > any user namespace, a process must have a superset of the namespace
> > > creator's capabilities.
> >
> > I think both are fine and I like this proposal.
>
> One correction to what I wrote: the weaker version isn't enough. A
> namespace that maps "0 100000 1000" doesn't map the parent's uid 0, so
> it passes that check. But with an idmapped mount that maps fs 0 to
> 100000, a task that joined it can write fscaps that are stored with
I actually don't think that's something we should work around here.
Christian, what is your opinion on this?
IMO most people should not do id-mapped mounts from host range anyway
(they should shift a base rootfs to a high range, then do idmapped
mounts from there),
> rootid 0 and honoured by the host. We test that flow. So it has to be
> Serge's stricter version.
>
> > I think that this is an acceptable restriction. Mapping uid 0 to 0 and
> > dropping caps is borderline useless.
>
> That makes the restriction wider than the 0 to 0 case. A root task
> without CAP_SETFCAP couldn't join an ordinary "0 100000" container
> either.
>
> setns() also only covers the routes that go through it. These don't,
> and need their own checks either way:
>
> - writing through a uid_map fd opened by a task with CAP_SETFCAP
> - ptrace and pidfd_getfd of an entitled task from outside
> - a task without CAP_SETFCAP creating its own namespace, which a
> privileged task then maps "0 0 1" for
>
> So v2 would be a level on the namespace computed at create time, the
> strict setns() check, and the checks at the map write, setxattr and
> ptrace reading the namespace's level instead of the cred's. If that
> sounds right I'll put it together.
I still think it would be easier to reason about, long term, if we
could get away with storing the cap_eff of the process which creates
the user namespace, and check (ns-targeted) the capabilities of any task
trying to setns to it against that.
> Thanks,
> Josef
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-19 12:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-06 15:44 Josef Bacik
2026-10-06 15:44 ` [PATCH 1/5] cred: record how far up CAP_SETFCAP reaches Josef Bacik
2026-10-06 15:44 ` [PATCH 2/5] userns: don't let setns() lend the right to map uid 0 Josef Bacik
2026-10-06 15:44 ` [PATCH 3/5] userns: check the writer too before mapping " Josef Bacik
2026-10-06 15:44 ` [PATCH 4/5] capabilities: limit fscaps to where CAP_SETFCAP reaches Josef Bacik
2026-10-06 15:44 ` [PATCH 5/5] capabilities: don't let ptrace borrow CAP_SETFCAP Josef Bacik
2026-10-08 13:57 ` [PATCH 0/5] capabilities: close the ways around the CAP_SETFCAP rule for uid 0 Serge E. Hallyn
2026-10-08 15:39 ` Josef Bacik
2026-10-08 16:13 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2026-10-09 7:41 ` Christian Brauner
2026-10-13 19:32 ` Josef Bacik
2026-10-19 12:01 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
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