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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Alejandro Jimenez <alejandro.j.jimenez@oracle.com>
Cc: Partha Sarathi Satapathy <partha.satapathy@oracle.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org,  "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Shuah Khan <shuah@kernel.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,  wim.ten.have@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] KVM: x86: Select lowest vCPU ID for aliased xAPIC IDs
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2026 13:25:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <auEI0B7QkIhg-lLG@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85b0e3aa-0b84-4a00-852a-821aed4a0649@oracle.com>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2026, Alejandro Jimenez wrote:
> On 10/27/26 11:40 AM, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2026, Partha Sarathi Satapathy wrote: > From: Alejandro
> > Jimenez <alejandro. j. jimenez@ oracle. com> > > When
> > KVM_X2APIC_API_USE_32BIT_IDS is enabled, KVM's x2APIC hotplug > quirk
> > allows events to target a vCPU
> > 
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2026, Partha Sarathi Satapathy wrote:
> >> From: Alejandro Jimenez <alejandro.j.jimenez@oracle.com>
> >> 
> >> When KVM_X2APIC_API_USE_32BIT_IDS is enabled, KVM's x2APIC hotplug
> >> quirk allows events to target a vCPU by its x2APIC ID while the vCPU
> >> is still in xAPIC mode.
> >> 
> >> In xAPIC mode, APIC IDs are truncated to eight bits. Consequently,
> >> vCPUs with distinct x2APIC IDs can share an effective physical APIC ID.
> >> KVM's x2APIC erratum specifies that an event targeting an aliased
> >> physical APIC ID is delivered only to the vCPU with the lowest vCPU ID.
> >> 
> >> However, the optimized physical APIC map does not guarantee lowest-ID
> >> selection. When rebuilding the map, KVM retains the first xAPIC-mode
> >> vCPU encountered for an aliased 8-bit xAPIC ID. Since vCPUs can be
> >> added in any order, that vCPU need not have the lowest vCPU ID.
> >> 
> >> For example, vCPU 19 has x2APIC ID 0x013 and vCPU 275 has x2APIC ID
> >> 0x113. Both expose xAPIC ID 0x13 while in xAPIC mode. If vCPU 275 is
> >> created before vCPU 19, the map retains:
> >> 
> >>   phys_map[0x13] = vCPU 275
> >> 
> >> An INIT/SIPI targeting physical destination 0x13 then starts vCPU 275
> >> instead of vCPU 19. vCPU 275 executes the secondary startup path for
> >> the firmware CPU entry with APIC ID 0x013. After vCPU 275 enables
> >> x2APIC, Linux observes APIC ID 0x113 and reports:
> >> 
> >>   Firmware: 13 APIC: 113
> >> 
> >> KVM hardcodes a vCPU's x2APIC ID to its vCPU ID. When populating an
> >> aliased legacy xAPIC entry, retain the vCPU with the lowest vCPU ID.
> >> This makes optimized-map selection independent of vCPU-add order.
> > 
> 
> First of all, apologies for the confusion since this is an earlier WIP
> version and due to a miscommunication it was sent as v1. The selftest also
> has changes that are not included in Patch 2. I will send a v2 after the
> discussion on this thread.
> 
> For this patch, the intended commit message is phrased/focused on
> maintaining the stated KVM hotplug hack behavior i.e. the commit should be
> more like:
> --
> When KVM_X2APIC_API_USE_32BIT_IDS is enabled, events targeting an aliased
> xAPIC ID must be delivered to the vCPU with the lowest vCPU ID. However,
> the optimized physical APIC map does not guarantee lowest-ID
> selection. When rebuilding the map, KVM retains the first xAPIC-mode
> vCPU encountered for an aliased xAPIC ID. Since vCPUs can be added in any
> order, the initial entry does not necessarily map to the APIC of the vCPU
> with lowest vCPU ID.
> 
> Compare vCPU IDs when populating aliased xAPIC entries and retain the
> lowest one, making destination selection independent of vCPU creation
> order.
> --
> 
> > I'm genuinely curious.  What VMM adds vCPUs in a "random" order?  I agree a fix
> > is needed, as KVM should be internally consistent (kvm_apic_match_physical_addr()
> > will always try to match the truncated ID).  But this also makes me wonder exactly
> > what userspace is doing, and why.
> > 
> 
> The issue was triggered with QEMU and a tool that uses libvirt API for
> resizing guests and balancing their vCPU allocations across NUMA nodes. I
> am not sure if similar work has been published upstream, so I'll defer to
> Wim (CC'd) if you want more details.

Oooh, actual hotplug of vCPUs.  That makes sense.
> 
> A basic reproducer (besides the selftest) simply uses QEMU to issue
> 'device_add' QMP commands and starts with a vCPU placed on socket 1,
> followed by its "alias" on socket 0. e.g.
> 
> { "execute": "device_add", "arguments": { "driver": "host-x86_64-cpu",
> "id": "cpu117", "socket-id": 1, "die-id": 0, "core-id": 11, "thread-id": 1 } }
> { "execute": "device_add", "arguments": { "driver": "host-x86_64-cpu",
> "id": "cpu017", "socket-id": 0, "die-id": 0, "core-id": 11, "thread-id": 1 } }
> 
> I wondered initially if this approach was breaking some convention, but I
> have not found anything stating even a "random order" is disallowed. So
> here we are...

It's not disallowed, just unusual, obviously.

> >> The separate full-ID entry remains unaffected, and destination 0x113
> >> continues to select vCPU 275.
> >> 
> >> Signed-off-by: Alejandro Jimenez <alejandro.j.jimenez@oracle.com>
> >> Signed-off-by: Partha Sarathi Satapathy <partha.satapathy@oracle.com>
> >> ---
> >>  arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c | 4 +++-
> >>  1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >> 
> >> diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c b/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c
> >> index 1597dd0b0cc6..5dedffddebec 100644
> >> --- a/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c
> >> +++ b/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c
> >> @@ -245,7 +245,9 @@ static int kvm_recalculate_phys_map(struct kvm_apic_map *new,
> >>  		if (apic_x2apic_mode(apic) || x2apic_id > 0xff)
> >>  			new->phys_map[x2apic_id] = apic;
> >>  
> >> -		if (!apic_x2apic_mode(apic) && !new->phys_map[xapic_id])
> >> +		if (!apic_x2apic_mode(apic) &&
> >> +		    (!new->phys_map[xapic_id] ||
> >> +		     x2apic_id < new->phys_map[xapic_id]->vcpu->vcpu_id))
> > 
> > Hmm, I don't think KVM should always override a smaller ID.  It should be a moot
> 
> Why should it not always override the smaller ID (in cases where
> KVM_X2APIC_API_USE_32BIT_IDS is enabled)? I interpret the wording from
> x2APIC section in:
> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/virt/kvm/x86/errata.rst
> 
> "KVM will deliver events targeting that APIC ID only to the vCPU with the
> lowest vCPU ID"

Gah, foiled by my own documentation.  I had this wrong in my head.  It's not the
aliasing logic that matters, it's literally the behavior of the optimized map that
I was documenting.

> as having the consequence that we should always replace an existing entry
> in the map with an incoming lower vCPU ID, but the potential corner cases
> in this space make my head hurt :).
> I think xAPIC ID is unfortunately writable, so perhaps that is the sort of
> scenario you are thinking about?
> 
> > point, since xapic_id_mismatch will be set if "xapic_id != (u8)vcpu->vcpu_id",
> > i.e. if the incoming vCPU has a smaller vCPU ID and a true xAPIC ID collision
> > (not due to truncation).  But to match kvm_apic_match_physical_addr(), I think
> > it would be this?
> > 
> > 		if (!apic_x2apic_mode(apic) &&
> > 		    (!new->phys_map[xapic_id] ||
> > 		     (u8)new->phys_map[xapic_id]->vcpu->vcpu_id == vcpu->vcpu_id))
> > 
> 
> The above works for the case described in the commit, but going one step
> further, I think it doesn't behave correctly in this case:
> 
> vCPU 531 (0x213) is created first
> vCPU 275 (0x113) is created after
> 
> the map is not updated and will still point to the lapic of vCPU 531.
> Reversing the creation order above leaves the map with vCPU 275.
> If my reading of errata.rst is accurate, then vCPU 275 (i.e. the lowest
> vCPU ID) should always be selected regardless of creation order.

Yeah, ignore that.

Backing up a step, what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve?  Because
I suspect there's no solution that will magically fix everything.  E.g. if you're
trying to resolve an issue where vCPUs aren't recognizing SIPIs, then the example
you provided means vCPU_531 will never wakeup, i.e. which vCPU is  "buggy" changes,
but the bug itself is still there.

If this is about SIPIs hitting the all CPUs, then I think to have a robust (well,
as robust as this mess can get) implementation, we'd have to disable use of the
optimized map when processing SIPIs with PHYSICAL delivery, e.g.

diff --git a/Documentation/virt/kvm/x86/errata.rst b/Documentation/virt/kvm/x86/errata.rst
index a9cf0e004651..65b8a612bfff 100644
--- a/Documentation/virt/kvm/x86/errata.rst
+++ b/Documentation/virt/kvm/x86/errata.rst
@@ -63,10 +63,10 @@ When KVM_X2APIC_API_USE_32BIT_IDS is enabled, KVM activates a hack/quirk that
 allows sending events to a single vCPU using its x2APIC ID even if the target
 vCPU has legacy xAPIC enabled, e.g. to bring up hotplugged vCPUs via INIT-SIPI
 on VMs with > 255 vCPUs.  A side effect of the quirk is that, if multiple vCPUs
-have the same physical APIC ID, KVM will deliver events targeting that APIC ID
-only to the vCPU with the lowest vCPU ID.  If KVM_X2APIC_API_USE_32BIT_IDS is
-not enabled, KVM follows x86 architecture when processing interrupts (all vCPUs
-matching the target APIC ID receive the interrupt).
+have the same physical APIC ID, KVM *may* deliver events targeting that APIC ID
+to only one of the vCPUs.  If KVM_X2APIC_API_USE_32BIT_IDS is not enabled, KVM
+follows x86 architecture when processing interrupts (all vCPUs matching the
+target APIC ID receive the interrupt).
 
 MTRRs
 -----
diff --git a/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c b/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c
index ecf611845fb1..255c8dc00e0a 100644
--- a/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c
+++ b/arch/x86/kvm/lapic.c
@@ -1181,6 +1181,10 @@ static inline bool kvm_apic_map_get_dest_lapic(struct kvm *kvm,
 		return false;
 
 	if (irq->dest_mode == APIC_DEST_PHYSICAL) {
+		if (kvm->arch.x2apic_format &&
+		    irq->delivery_mode == APIC_DM_STARTUP)
+			return false;
+
 		if (irq->dest_id > map->max_apic_id) {
 			*bitmap = 0;
 		} else {


      reply	other threads:[~2026-10-27 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-27  5:18 Partha Sarathi Satapathy
2026-10-27  5:18 ` [PATCH 2/2] KVM: selftests: Cover aliased xAPIC physical IDs Partha Sarathi Satapathy
2026-10-27 15:40 ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: x86: Select lowest vCPU ID for aliased xAPIC IDs Sean Christopherson
2026-10-27 19:42   ` Alejandro Jimenez
2026-10-27 20:25     ` Sean Christopherson [this message]

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