From: Alexey Gladkov <legion@kernel.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: "Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson" <halg@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] userns: per-namespace capability bounding set and opt-in netns loopback
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2026 11:44:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <auMjpJwXQJyXr3fW@example.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrW9ygriu54gxiHFLEd5+hJminQo0r8Jwd63wR69Dj4W7w@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Oct 28, 2026 at 03:56:11PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 28, 2026 at 3:18 PM Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
> <halg@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > When an unprivileged process creates a new user namespace, it is granted
> > a full set of capabilities (CAP_FULL_SET) scoped to that namespace.
> > While these capabilities are isolated to the namespace, they allow
> > unprivileged local users to reach deep kernel subsystems (most notably
> > networking configuration and raw sockets via CAP_NET_ADMIN and
> > CAP_NET_RAW) that historically assumed a trusted caller and have
> > accounted for a large share of local privilege escalation
> > vulnerabilities.
> >
> > Many workloads and sandboxes use unprivileged user namespaces strictly
> > for basic UID/GID, mount, PID, or network isolation and never need
> > high-risk capabilities like CAP_NET_ADMIN or CAP_NET_RAW. Likewise,
> > system administrators often want a host-wide policy ceiling restricting
> > which capabilities unprivileged user namespaces may acquire, without
> > disabling unprivileged user namespaces altogether.
> >
> > Prior work by Jonathan Calmels [1] proposed addressing this via a sixth
> > per-thread capability set (cap_userns) alongside a global sysctl mask.
> > During that discussion [1, 2], feedback (e.g. from Casey Schaufler)
> > suggested that rather than adding another per-thread capability set and
> > prctl() interface, capability restrictions could be integrated directly
> > into struct user_namespace and configured via clone3(). At the same
> > time, as noted in [1], a clone3() flag alone is not sufficient for
> > administrators who need to enforce a host-wide ceiling on unprivileged
> > user namespaces without modifying every userspace callsite.
> >
> > This series combines both pieces of feedback: it embeds a capability
> > bounding set (cap_bset) directly into struct user_namespace, reusing
> > the existing task cap_bset, cap_permitted, and cap_effective sets on
> > namespace entry, and provides both a system-wide sysctl ceiling for
> > unprivileged user namespaces and a CLONE_NEWUSER_BSET flag for
> > voluntary per-namespace restriction via clone3().
>
> Why should the task's cap masks affect this? *Maybe* cap_bset makes
> sense, but I'm struggling a bit to see why cap_permitted and
> cap_effective should matter.
>
> Also, I think that Docker in non-userns mode restricts cap_bset, and
> the purpose of that restriction is rather at odds with interpreting it
> as a restriction on newly created user namespaces for purposes of
> vulnerability mitigation.
>
> >
> > In addition, because restricting CAP_NET_ADMIN at user namespace
> > creation time prevents userspace from bringing up the loopback
> > interface in new network namespaces, the series first introduces
> > an opt-in flag to automatically enable loopback on network namespace
> > creation:
> >
> > 1. Opt-in loopback activation on netns creation (Patch 1)
> >
> > New network namespaces start with the loopback interface (lo) DOWN by
> > default, requiring CAP_NET_ADMIN over the owning user namespace to
> > bring it up. To block external network access while preserving
> > localhost networking, sandboxes commonly create an isolated network
> > namespace with only the loopback interface enabled.
> >
>
> The whole unshare/clone flag situation is getting out of hand, IMO.
> And this new thing makes logical sense but is really about reducing
> exposure.
>
> Perhaps we should instead have a small list associated with a userns
> (extensible in the future) of things that the ns's admin (i.e. whoever
> has CAP_SYS_ADMIN relative to the ns) may do. That list could
> include:
>
> - Create loopback with sensible defaults for ipv4 and/or ipv6 (i see
> no obvious reason to separate them)
> - Create tun/tap interfaces in that ns (and attach them, etc)
>
> And add a very simple new API to do these things. Actually, the
> tun/tap could just use the normal mechanism.
>
> Thoughts?
I think that's an interesting idea. I also think the whole flag issue is
moving in the wrong direction.
Are you thinking of something like `struct open_how` in openat2,
or something else?
--
Rgrds, legion
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-29 10:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-28 22:16 Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
2026-10-28 22:16 ` [PATCH 1/8] net: introduce CLONE_NEWNET_LOOPBACK to auto-enable loopback Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
2026-10-28 22:16 ` [PATCH 2/8] userns: introduce capability bounding set for user namespaces Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
2026-10-28 22:17 ` [PATCH 3/8] userns: allow restricting capability bounding set via clone3() Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
2026-10-28 22:17 ` [PATCH 4/8] nsfs: add NS_USER_GET_INFO ioctl to inspect user namespace capabilities Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
2026-10-28 22:17 ` [PATCH 5/8] selftests/net: add test suite for CLONE_NEWNET_LOOPBACK Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
2026-10-28 22:17 ` [PATCH 6/8] selftests/capabilities: tests for user namespace capability bounding set Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
2026-10-28 22:17 ` [PATCH 7/8] selftests/capabilities: add clone3() tests for CLONE_NEWUSER_BSET Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
2026-10-28 22:17 ` [PATCH 8/8] selftests/nsfs: add tests for NS_USER_GET_INFO ioctl Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
2026-10-28 22:56 ` [PATCH 0/8] userns: per-namespace capability bounding set and opt-in netns loopback Andy Lutomirski
2026-10-29 10:44 ` Alexey Gladkov [this message]
2026-10-29 12:11 ` Hallgrimur H. Gunnarsson
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