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From: Kayra Cizmeci <kayracizmeci@gmail.com>
To: Qing Wang <wangqing7171@gmail.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	 Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	 Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	 Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	 Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	 Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
	 Davi Chaves Azevedo <davichazbh@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] sched/fair: Replace random newidle_balance with Bresenham accumulator
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2026 17:47:45 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <auSo1jhKzD5vDNys@scheduler.schedules> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261030091946.2498870-1-wangqing7171@gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 30, 2026 at 05:19:46PM +0800, Qing Wang wrote:
> The current NI_RANDOM implementation uses a random dice roll to allow
> newidle_balance attempts according to the success rate. This can be
> replaced with a Bresenham accumulator.
> 
> Replace the random dice with a Bresenham accumulator. Each step does
> the following:
>   - Accumulate (1 + newidle_ratio) into newidle_window_pos(accumulator).
>   - If the accumulator reaches 1024, allow the balance attempt and
>     subtract 1024.
> 
> Why Bresenham:
> 1. It is deterministic and reproducible. For a given ratio, the
>    balance frequency is exact and not subject to random variance,
>    which makes the behavior predictable when debugging or tracing.
> 2. Bresenham spaces the attempts evenly; the random dice can go for
>    a long stretch without balancing or fire several times in a row,
>    especially at low ratios.
> 
> A quick simulation where the ratio jumps to a random value in
> [0, 1023] every 512 calls (20000 windows):
> 
>                       Bresenham      random dice
> max per-window error  0.5 attempts   41 attempts
> 
> The max per-window error is the max difference between the actual
> and expected number of attempts within a window; Bresenham's error
> is much smaller.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Qing Wang <wangqing7171@gmail.com>
Hi Qing,


Tested on Zen 3 with tbench (8 cores, 16 threads) 5 runs:

C = Client, Higher is better. MB/s.

One boot per kernel.


-C--+--------(BASE)---------+-------(PATCH)---------
 1  |     311.19 (0.00 pct) |    313.42 ( 0.72 pct)
 8  |    2097.95 (0.00 pct) |   2113.36 ( 0.73 pct)
 16 |    3271.83 (0.00 pct) |   3229.59 (-1.29 pct)
 32 |    3341.13 (0.00 pct) |   3286.98 (-1.62 pct)


stddev:
-C--+-----(BASE)--+----(PATCH)--
 1  |      0.93   |      1.07
 8  |      8.35   |     10.24
 16 |     15.06   |      7.56
 32 |      2.92   |      4.04


There's a loss at 32 Clients. Some gain at 1 clients maybe.

Still, these results don’t show a performance gain for Bresenham,
no?

Thanks,

Kayra :-).

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-10-30 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-30  9:19 Qing Wang
2026-10-30  9:46 ` K Prateek Nayak
2026-10-30  9:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-30 10:22     ` Qing Wang
2026-10-30 10:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-30 10:09   ` Qing Wang
2026-10-30 14:47 ` Kayra Cizmeci [this message]

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