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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Mina Almasry <almasrymina@google.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net, edumazet@google.com,
	 kuba@kernel.org, pabeni@redhat.com, andrew+netdev@lunn.ch,
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	 michael.chan@broadcom.com, pavan.chebbi@broadcom.com,
	sdf@fomichev.me,  bobbyeshleman@meta.com, asml.silence@gmail.com,
	daniel@iogearbox.net,  razor@blackwall.org, leitao@debian.org,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 2/7] net: devmem: charge the frag length to TX skb truesize
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2026 15:23:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aukaiHZJcYsRCpr0@devvm16445.scu0.facebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHS8izPefhGytGNeDWZzgZOi=gLeigZ63nFnkq1ERXXGwrNkeg@mail.gmail.com>

On 11/02, Mina Almasry wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2026 at 11:14 AM Stanislav Fomichev <sdf.kernel@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > truesize isn't well defined for devmem TX frags: they point into a
> > dmabuf which stays mapped for the lifetime of the binding, and freeing
> > the skb releases no memory. The charge only feeds sk_sndbuf and TSQ,
> > which limit queued bytes.
> >
> > Charge the frag length instead of PAGE_SIZE:
> > - TCP uncharges in bytes (tcp_trim_head(), tcp_fragment(),
> >   tso_fragment()), so the charge must not be smaller than the frag.
> >   PAGE_SIZE only guarantees that while net_iovs are PAGE_SIZE.
> > - Frags shorter than a page now count their length, not a page.
> >
> 
> I don't know about this patch. The justification reads a bit like.
> "net-iov charging is weird and broken anyway, so we can do whatever we
> want. Charge size instead of PAGE_SIZE for no reason."
> 
> I agree that charging for net-iov is extremely weird. Neither of
> today's net-iov types actually allocates any memory. Of course when I
> was developing the original infra, I took every shortcut I could and
> just charged net-iov as regular memory, but that doesn't mean we can
> do whatever we want.
> 
> I think either:
> 
> 1. say net-iovs are not really occupied memory, so do a global cleanup
> that charges 0 for all net-iovs (optionally making it conditional on
> the net-iov type, so in the future someone can easily add a net-iov
> that actually can be charged)", or
> 2. change the net-iov size to be actually size instead of PAGE_SIZE,
> and keep the current 'we charge net-iovs even though they're not
> really memory', and then this patch makes sense.

SG, let me try to explain it better in the commit msg. I don't think
we can charge 0 because the uncharge path is non-zero. It currently
works ok because skb frag uncharges the small error that can accumulate.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-02 23:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-02 19:14 [PATCH net-next 0/7] net: devmem: size TX net_iovs from the dmabuf layout Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-02 19:14 ` [PATCH net-next 1/7] bnxt_en: let the stack segment GSO skbs with too many frags Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-02 19:14 ` [PATCH net-next 2/7] net: devmem: charge the frag length to TX skb truesize Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-02 20:22   ` Mina Almasry
2026-11-02 23:23     ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2026-11-02 19:14 ` [PATCH net-next 3/7] net: devmem: use niov_shift in net_devmem_get_niov_at() Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-02 20:24   ` Mina Almasry
2026-11-02 19:14 ` [PATCH net-next 4/7] net: devmem: add a per-device netmem TX frag size limit Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-02 20:31   ` Mina Almasry
2026-11-02 23:27     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-02 19:14 ` [PATCH net-next 5/7] bnxt_en: limit netmem TX frags to 32KB Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-02 20:31   ` Mina Almasry
2026-11-02 19:14 ` [PATCH net-next 6/7] net: devmem: size TX net_iovs from the dmabuf sg table Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-02 20:40   ` Mina Almasry
2026-11-02 23:37     ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-03  2:33       ` Mina Almasry
2026-11-02 19:14 ` [PATCH net-next 7/7] selftests: drv-net: devmem: TX from a hugepage-backed dmabuf Stanislav Fomichev
2026-11-03  2:58   ` Mina Almasry
2026-11-02 20:07 ` [PATCH net-next 0/7] net: devmem: size TX net_iovs from the dmabuf layout Mina Almasry

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