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From: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@kernel.org>
Cc: Qingfang Deng <qingfang.deng@linux.dev>,
	Jiayuan Chen <jiayuan.chen@linux.dev>,
	 Neal Cardwell <ncardwell@google.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	 Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	 Yuchung Cheng <ycheng@google.com>, Wei Wang <weiwan@google.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] tcp: initialize send sequence numbers before deferring TFO
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2026 05:31:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aulxmZNZqmAzK6r1@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAL4WiioRi2hZRMTv-v=iUpSZhbnj__rh=Uh+g2dOCre-YBa6Ug@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 02 Nov 2026 09:20:41 +0100, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> Le lun. 2 nov. 2026 à 09:13, Qingfang Deng <qingfang.deng@linux.dev> a écrit :
> >
> > On 2026/11/2 16:00, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > > Le lun. 2 nov. 2026 à 08:41, Qingfang Deng <qingfang.deng@linux.dev> a écrit :
> > >> On 2026/11/2 14:11, Jiayuan Chen wrote:
> > >>> On 11/2/26 11:59 AM, Qingfang Deng wrote:
> > >>>> TCP_FASTOPEN_CONNECT can return from connect() before tcp_connect_init()
> > >>>> when a cached cookie or cookieless Fast Open allows deferring the SYN.
> > >>>> At this point write_seq contains the initial sequence number, while
> > >>>> snd_una and snd_nxt have not been initialized to that sequence number.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Consequently, inet_diag and /proc/net/tcp{,6} report the initial
> > >>>> sequence number as the send queue length despite no SYN or payload being
> > >>>> queued.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Initialize snd_una and snd_nxt to write_seq before marking the
> > >>>> connection as deferred. Both sequence-based queue lengths then remain
> > >>>> zero until the first write starts the connection and runs
> > >>>> tcp_connect_init().
> > >>> This patch looks good to me. But idiag_wqueue can still go negative
> > >>> on the normal connect path, since the socket is already hashed and
> > >>> diag does not take the socket lock. We always set write_seq first,
> > >>> then init snd_una later:
> > >>>
> > >>>     tcp_v4_connect
> > >>>       WRITE_ONCE(tp->write_seq, st.seq)
> > >>>       tcp_connect
> > >>>         tcp_connect_init
> > >>>           WRITE_ONCE(tp->snd_una, tp->write_seq)
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you try this instead?
> > >>>
> > >>>     r->idiag_wqueue = READ_ONCE(sk->sk_wmem_queued) ?
> > >>>                       READ_ONCE(tp->write_seq) - READ_ONCE(tp->snd_una) : 0;
> > >> This does not guarantee the load order on a weakly-ordered CPU. LLM
> > >> suggests using this load-acquire/store-release sequence:
> > >>
> > >> r->idiag_wqueue = smp_load_acquire(&sk->sk_wmem_queued) ?
> > >> READ_ONCE(tp->write_seq) - READ_ONCE(tp->snd_una) : 0;
> > >>
> > >> Then in tcp_connect_queue_skb(), replace sk_wmem_queued_add()
> > >> with smp_store_release():
> > >>
> > >> /* Paired with smp_load_acquire() in tcp_diag_get_info(). */
> > >> smp_store_release(&sk->sk_wmem_queued, sk->sk_wmem_queued + skb->truesize);
> > >>
> > >> What do you think?
> > > Please do not do this.
> > >
> > > /proc/net/tcp and inet_diag dump sockets without holding the socket
> > > lock. They provide a best effort snapshot, and transient inconsistent
> > > values are expected (see the comment about rx_queue in get_tcp4_sock()).
> > >
> > > The window in tcp_v4_connect()/tcp_v6_connect() is a few usec, with the
> > > socket lock held by the caller. Adding memory barriers in the TCP stack,
> > > on a field updated in many places, to cover this is not worth it.
> >
> > tcp_connect_queue_skb(), as the name suggests, only queues the
> > connecting SYN. So this adds a small setup cost on weakly-ordered CPUs
> > (on x86, smp_store_release degrades to a compiler barrier).
> >
> > If strong memory ordering is not required, do you prefer Jiayuan's approach?
> 
> Neither, let's keep v1 as is.
> 
> I know tcp_connect_queue_skb() only queues the SYN. The cost is not the
> problem; sk_wmem_queued has many other writers, and one release store
> among them is a special ordering rule that nobody will remember the
> next time this code is changed. This is too much complexity to hide a
> transient value in a best-effort dump.

+1.  v1 looks good to me too.

Reviewed-by: Kuniyuki Iwashima <kuniyu@google.com>

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-03  5:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-02  3:59 Qingfang Deng
2026-11-02  6:11 ` Jiayuan Chen
2026-11-02  7:40   ` Qingfang Deng
2026-11-02  8:00     ` Eric Dumazet
2026-11-02  8:13       ` Qingfang Deng
2026-11-02  8:20         ` Eric Dumazet
2026-11-03  5:31           ` Kuniyuki Iwashima [this message]
2026-11-03 14:52             ` Neal Cardwell
2026-11-03  5:06 ` Kuniyuki Iwashima

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