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From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Pranith Kumar <bobby.prani@gmail.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	 Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
	 Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	 Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	"open list:MEMORY MANAGEMENT - CORE" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "open list:PTP HARDWARE CLOCK
	SUPPORT:Keyword:(?:b|_)ptp(?:b|_)" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm/rmap: use release ordering for small-folio mapcount removal
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2026 13:55:51 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aus4ag1KxpuBNSP1@gremlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <287698ab-76dc-4aee-8e6c-db1f5d18974c@kernel.org>

On Wed, Nov 04, 2026 at 02:37:39PM +0100, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 11/4/26 10:46, Pranith Kumar wrote:
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Thank you for looking at the patch.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2026 at 1:16 AM David Hildenbrand (Arm) <david@kernel.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> In an arm64 page map/unmap microbenchmark with 20,480 minor
> >>> faults, simulated cycles fell by 1.54%.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the patch.
> >>
> >> While I see value, I am not convinced this is the right time for this
> >> micro-optimization while we are busy with other things.
> >>
> >> This needs a better evaluation: 1.54% in a micro-benchmark without knowing the
> >> stddev isn't particularly helpful.
> >>
> >
> > This result is from a deterministic simulation, hence no stddev.
>
> Ah, I'd assume even a deterministic simulator would have some variance due to
> preemption, TLB flushes etc.
>
> But the bigger question is: which arm64 variant is simulated? I'd assume it
> might vary heavily no?

I mean 1.54%, theoretically is even less convincing for me :)

In any case for something touching a sensitive memory barrier operation to have
a stronger argument put forward for release ordering being suitable than simply
stating it's fine in the commit message and updating a comment.

--
Cheers, Lorenzo

      reply	other threads:[~2026-11-04 13:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-04  1:31 Pranith Kumar
2026-11-04  9:16 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-04  9:46   ` Pranith Kumar
2026-11-04 13:37     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-04 13:55       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) [this message]

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