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From: Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>
To: Nicolin Chen <nicolinc@nvidia.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
	maz@kernel.org, oliver.upton@linux.dev, joey.gouly@arm.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, yuzenghui@huawei.com, joro@8bytes.org,
	jgg@ziepe.ca, mark.rutland@arm.com, qperret@google.com,
	tabba@google.com, vdonnefort@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 11/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add the kernel driver
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2026 10:41:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avL016l_xASN5paR@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <avJidXM9yQOX4VBJ@nvidia.com>

On Mon, Nov 09, 2026 at 04:16:53PM -0800, Nicolin Chen wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 09, 2026 at 10:47:46AM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 05, 2026 at 01:06:18PM -0800, Nicolin Chen wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2026 at 08:08:42PM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
> > > > diff --git a/drivers/iommu/arm/arm-smmu-v3/arm-smmu-v3.c b/drivers/iommu/arm/arm-smmu-v3/arm-smmu-v3.c
> > > > +#ifdef CONFIG_ARM_SMMU_V3_PKVM
> > > > +/*
> > > > + * Two devices are involved: the aux device bound to this driver, and the
> > > > + * physical platform device bound to the pKVM init driver, which only uses it
> > > > + * for discovery. This driver keeps using the platform device, as it carries
> > > > + * the fwnode the IOMMU core and consumers link to, the DMA configuration and
> > > > + * the IRQs.
> > > 
> > > It would be nicer to have a diagram or so to show the co-relationship
> > > among different devices and drivers.
> > > 
> > > I assume the regular arm-smmu-v3 driver is a part of the picture too,
> > > when the pkvm driver binding fails?
> > > 
> > 
> > I can add some ASCII diagram.
> > If pKVM driver fails, no aux devices are created and the main driver
> > probes the platform SMMUv3 devices as usual.
> 
> I didn't check closely, but would it be safe to do so?
> 
> Is pkvm aware of the missing SMMU device and handling it properly?
> 
> When pkvm is enabled and the SMMU device is supposed to be a pkvm
> device, should it not fall back to the main driver?

If pKVM fails to init for any reason (unsupported layout or non-coherent
HW) the SMMU will be bound to the main driver so the system remains
functional.

However, pKVM will not be safe in that case regarding DMA isolation
as the status quo.
In Android, in that case, pKVM clears the FW (called pvmfw) that loads
the protected VM and authenticate it so any protected VM knows the
system is not trusted. This part is not upstream yet. [1]

However, there is not much that pKVM can do and I think it is better to
keep the system functional in that case than causing a panic or failing
KVM init for example.

[1] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/virt/kvm/arm/pkvm.rst#n106
Thanks,
Mostafa

> 
> Nicolin

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-10 10:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-15 20:08 [PATCH v9 00/25] KVM: arm64: SMMUv3 driver for pKVM (trap and emulate) Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 01/25] KVM: arm64: Donate MMIO to the hypervisor Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 02/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move Queue and STE functions to header Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 03/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move IDR parsing to common functions Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-20 19:02   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 04/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move hitless machinery to common code Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 05/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3: Move RangeInval " Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-20 19:11   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 06/25] KVM: arm64: iommu: Introduce IOMMU driver infrastructure Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 07/25] KVM: arm64: iommu: Shadow host stage-2 page table Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 08/25] KVM: arm64: iommu: Add memory pool Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 09/25] KVM: arm64: iommu: Support DABT for IOMMU Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 10/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add SMMUv3 driver Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-29 21:18   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 11/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add the kernel driver Mostafa Saleh
2026-11-05 21:06   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-11-09 10:47     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-11-10  0:16       ` Nicolin Chen
2026-11-10 10:41         ` Mostafa Saleh [this message]
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 12/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Probe SMMU HW Mostafa Saleh
2026-11-05 21:35   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 13/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add MMIO emulation Mostafa Saleh
2026-11-05 23:04   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-11-09 10:56     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-11-06 19:56   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-11-09 11:06     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 14/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow the command queue Mostafa Saleh
2026-11-05 23:54   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-11-09 11:30     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-11-06  1:59   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-11-09 11:37     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 15/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Add CMDQ functions Mostafa Saleh
2026-11-06  0:13   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 16/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Emulate CMDQ for host Mostafa Saleh
2026-11-06 19:08   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-11-09 11:47     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 17/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow stream table Mostafa Saleh
2026-11-06 19:45   ` Nicolin Chen
2026-11-09 12:01     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 18/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow STEs Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 19/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Share other queues Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 20/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Emulate GBPA Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 21/25] iommu/io-pgtable-arm: Support io-pgtable-arm in the hypervisor Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 22/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Shadow the CPU stage-2 page table Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 23/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Invalidate the SMMU TLBs Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 24/25] iommu/arm-smmu-v3-kvm: Enable nesting Mostafa Saleh
2026-10-15 20:08 ` [PATCH v9 25/25] KVM: arm64: Add documentation for pKVM DMA isolation Mostafa Saleh

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