From: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
To: Marco Crivellari <marco.crivellari@suse.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Aaron Tomlin <atomlin@atomlin.com>,
Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] tick/nohz: Re-evaluate the tick on polling idle and on user entry
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2026 10:59:29 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <avQ8gT1D6p1d2MS3@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAofZF7KAnd0xpOcgKDs6yDL9vmbON3xRAK360BBuzEpwJzu9g@mail.gmail.com>
Le Tue, Nov 10, 2026 at 06:35:49PM +0100, Marco Crivellari a écrit :
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2026 at 2:33 PM Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > With the hunk, the stopped tick firing for the first timer sets
> > > TIF_NEED_RESCHED, the polling loop exits and the tick is reprogrammed
> > > for the second timer within a few microseconds; the 10 iterations
> > > captured take 0.92s instead of ~18s. Without that hunk, the CPU stops
> > > spinning on an unrelated event.
> > >
> > > So in my understanding tick_nohz_idle_exit() program the tick only for
> > > the earliest timer; when it expire, the tick is stopped and not
> > > rearmed in tick_nohz_handler() (HRTIMER_NORESTART). Without setting
> > > NEED_RESCHED if another timer has been queued it has to wait for
> > > another event that set NEED_RESCHED.
> >
> > Hehe, you're right :)
> >
> > Let's try another strategy then. TS_FLAG_INIDLE is what tells nohz_fool whether
> > to manage the tick through the idle loop or through the IRQ exit.
> >
> > So why not calling tick_nohz_idle_enter() on each idle loop iterations? That is,
> > from cpuidle_idle_call(). And call tick_nohz_idle_exit() right before
> > cpu_idle_poll()?
>
> Aha, sounds good! :-) So INIDLE is set only when really "in idle" (eg
> no polling).
>
> > Then you can remove tick_nohz_idle_restart_tick().
>
> Should we remove only the call or also the function and its declaration?
> I'm asking because the call we're going to remove is the only one present.
You can remove also the function.
>
> > Just be careful: tick_nohz_idle_enter() and tick_nohz_idle_exit() may now be
> > unbalanced. If TS_FLAG_INIDLE is already set, tick_nohz_idle_enter() should
> > return early and tick_nohz_idle_exit() as well if !TS_FLAG_INIDLE.
> >
> > Also IRQs may now be disabled while calling tick_nohz_idle_exit(), so it should
> > use local_irq_save() and not local_irq_disable(). OTOH tick_nohz_idle_enter()
> > should always expect IRQs disabled.
> >
> > So the purpose is to move cpu_idle_poll() outside the dynticks idle logic, then
> > it's safe against nohz_full timer management, the tick keeps being stopped if
> > possible and it's only restarted for dynticks idle.
>
> Ok, I think it's clear.
>
> I've already started implementing the changes. I will send v2 with all
> the changes.
Thanks a lot!
>
> Thank you!
>
> --
>
> Marco Crivellari
>
> SUSE Labs
--
Frederic Weisbecker
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-11-11 9:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-11-06 16:06 [PATCH 0/3] Stop the idle tick on polling idle on nohz_full CPUs Marco Crivellari
2026-11-06 16:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] tick/nohz: Re-evaluate the tick on polling idle and on user entry Marco Crivellari
2026-11-06 22:15 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-11-09 17:24 ` Marco Crivellari
2026-11-10 13:33 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-11-10 17:35 ` Marco Crivellari
2026-11-11 9:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker [this message]
2026-11-06 16:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] sched/idle: Stop the tick on polling idle on nohz_full CPUs Marco Crivellari
2026-11-06 21:55 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-11-10 8:27 ` Marco Crivellari
2026-11-06 16:06 ` [PATCH 3/3] Documentation: no_hz: Add tick stop in polling idle Marco Crivellari
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