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From: Vincent Donnefort <vdonnefort@google.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Steven Rostedt <srostedt@redhat.com>,
	kernel-team@meta.com, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] ring-buffer: Handle a reader taking the new head in rb_handle_head_page()
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2026 13:32:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <avRuXVxVrp-Kjiqj@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261110025202.78c8c03a@fedora>

On Tue, Nov 10, 2026 at 02:52:02AM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Mon, 9 Nov 2026 09:21:32 +0000
> Vincent Donnefort <vdonnefort@google.com> wrote:
> 
> > > The issue I think you hit was that we have two HEAD pages, when interrupts
> > > come in. That is, we can get a state of:
> > >   
> > >   --> subbuf --UPDATE--> subbuf --> subbuf --HEAD--> subbuf -->  
> > 
> > How we can end-up in this situation? The cmpxch will only swap HEAD for UPDATE. 
> 
> The cpu_buffer->head_page is only updated by the reader, when it did its last read.
> 
> Let's look at it one at a time:
> 
>                               cpu_buffer->head_page
>                      tail               |
>                       v                 v
>   +--> subbuf ----> subbuf --HEAD--> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf --+
>   |                                                                     |
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> Then the writer moves the HEAD page around the buffer while there are
> no reads happening
> 
> 
>                               cpu_buffer->head_page
>                                 tail |
>                                   v  v
>   +--> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf --HEAD--> subbuf ----> subbuf --+
>   |                                                                     |
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
>                               cpu_buffer->head_page
>                                     |          tail
>                                     v            v
>   +--> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf --HEAD--> subbuf --+
>   |                                                                     |
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
>                               cpu_buffer->head_page
>                                         |                      tail
>                                         v                        v
>   +-HEAD-> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf --+
>   |                                                                     |
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
>                               cpu_buffer->head_page
>         tail                             |
>           v                              v
>   +--> subbuf --HEAD--> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf --+
>   |                                                                     |
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> Now, I'll break up the update part:
> 
>                               cpu_buffer->head_page
>         tail                             |
>           v                              v
>   +--> subbuf --UPDATE--> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf --+
>   |                                                                       |
>   +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
>                                  cpu_buffer->head_page
>         tail                                |
>           v                                 v
>   +--> subbuf --UPDATE--> subbuf --HEAD--> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf --+
>   |                                                                           |
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> An interrupt comes in and moves the head even more.
> 
>                                  cpu_buffer->head_page
>         tail                              |
>           v                               v
>   +--> subbuf --UPDATE--> subbuf ----> subbuf --HEAD--> subbuf ----> subbuf --+
>   |                                                                           |
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> Now  the reader decides to read again and starts between the UPDATE and the HEAD
> 
> 
>                                                  cpu_buffer->head_page
>         tail                                              |
>           v                                               v
>   +--> subbuf --UPDATE--> subbuf ----> subbuf --HEAD--> subbuf ----> subbuf --+
>   |                                                                           |
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> It finds a page with the HEAD pointer set but not the UPDATE pointer and does a swap!
> 
> 
>                                                         reader_page -----+
>                                                                          |
>                                                  cpu_buffer->head_page   |
>         tail                                                         |   |
>           v                                                          v   v
>   +--> subbuf --UPDATE--> subbuf ----> subbuf ----> subbuf --HEAD--> subbuf --+
>   |                                                                           |
>   +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> Now the commit finishes and moves forward and will even hit a blank
> page but the last write is now on the reader page. This breaks the
> entire integrity of the ring buffer.
> 
> Does this make sense?
> 
> -- Steve

Yes, now I spent more time on it, I believe it makes sense. I looked at what we
could do and I'm trying to use a temporary RB_PAGE_HEAD | RB_PAGE_UPDATE. This
link flag is then only converted to RB_PAGE_HEAD by the outer writer. I believe
this would fix the race entirely... However that means the reader spins as long
as the buffer writing is interrupted, which I admit is far from ideal.

-- 
Vincent

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-11 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-05 11:12 Breno Leitao
2026-11-05 20:57 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-11-09  7:21   ` Steven Rostedt
2026-11-09  9:21   ` Vincent Donnefort
2026-11-10  7:52     ` Steven Rostedt
2026-11-11 13:32       ` Vincent Donnefort [this message]
2026-11-09 13:10   ` Breno Leitao
2026-11-10  7:55     ` Steven Rostedt

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