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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@sandisk.com>,
	Laurence Oberman <loberman@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Valente <paolo.valente@linaro.org>,
	Oleksandr Natalenko <oleksandr@natalenko.name>,
	Tom Nguyen <tom81094@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	Omar Sandoval <osandov@fb.com>,
	John Garry <john.garry@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V7 4/6] blk-mq: introduce .get_budget and .put_budget in blk_mq_ops
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2017 10:28:42 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b0ba72d9-c403-99b9-e4a6-75839ed4e4d5@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171013162221.GD30899@ming.t460p>

On 10/13/2017 10:22 AM, Ming Lei wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 10:20:01AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
>> On 10/13/2017 10:17 AM, Ming Lei wrote:
>>> On Fri, Oct 13, 2017 at 08:44:23AM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>> On 10/12/2017 06:19 PM, Ming Lei wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:46:24PM -0600, Jens Axboe wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/12/2017 12:37 PM, Ming Lei wrote:
>>>>>>> For SCSI devices, there is often per-request-queue depth, which need
>>>>>>> to be respected before queuing one request.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The current blk-mq always dequeues one request first, then calls .queue_rq()
>>>>>>> to dispatch the request to lld. One obvious issue of this way is that I/O
>>>>>>> merge may not be good, because when the per-request-queue depth can't be
>>>>>>> respected,  .queue_rq() has to return BLK_STS_RESOURCE, then this request
>>>>>>> has to staty in hctx->dispatch list, and never got chance to participate
>>>>>>> into I/O merge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This patch introduces .get_budget and .put_budget callback in blk_mq_ops,
>>>>>>> then we can try to get reserved budget first before dequeuing request.
>>>>>>> Once we can't get budget for queueing I/O, we don't need to dequeue request
>>>>>>> at all, then I/O merge can get improved a lot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't help but think that it would be cleaner to just be able to
>>>>>> reinsert the request into the scheduler properly, if we fail to
>>>>>> dispatch it. Bart hinted at that earlier as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually when I start to investigate the issue, the 1st thing I tried
>>>>> is to reinsert, but that way is even worse on qla2xxx.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once request is dequeued, the IO merge chance is decreased a lot.
>>>>> With none scheduler, it becomes not possible to merge because
>>>>> we only try to merge over the last 8 requests. With mq-deadline,
>>>>> when one request is reinserted, another request may be dequeued
>>>>> at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> I don't care too much about 'none'. If perfect merging is crucial for
>>>> getting to the performance level you want on the hardware you are using,
>>>> you should not be using 'none'. 'none' will work perfectly fine for NVMe
>>>> etc style devices, where we are not dependent on merging to the same
>>>> extent that we are on other devices.
>>>
>>> We still have some SCSI device, such as qla2xxx, which is 1:1 multi-queue
>>> device, like NVMe, in my test, the big lock of mq-deadline has been
>>> an issue for this kind of device, and none actually is better than
>>> mq-deadline, even though its merge isn't good.
>>
>> Kyber should be able to fill that hole, hopefully.
> 
> Yeah, kyber still uses same IO merge with none, :-)

Doesn't mean it can't be changed... 'none' has to remain with very low
overhead, any extra smarts or logic should be a scheduler thing.

-- 
Jens Axboe

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-13 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-12 18:36 [PATCH V7 0/6] blk-mq-sched: improve sequential I/O performance Ming Lei
2017-10-12 18:36 ` [PATCH V7 1/6] blk-mq-sched: fix scheduler bad performance Ming Lei
2017-10-12 18:37 ` [PATCH V7 2/6] blk-mq-sched: move actual dispatching into one helper Ming Lei
2017-10-12 18:37 ` [PATCH V7 3/6] sbitmap: introduce __sbitmap_for_each_set() Ming Lei
2017-10-12 18:37 ` [PATCH V7 4/6] blk-mq: introduce .get_budget and .put_budget in blk_mq_ops Ming Lei
2017-10-12 18:46   ` Jens Axboe
2017-10-13  0:19     ` Ming Lei
2017-10-13 14:44       ` Jens Axboe
2017-10-13 16:07         ` Ming Lei
2017-10-13 16:19           ` Jens Axboe
2017-10-13 16:21             ` Ming Lei
2017-10-13 16:28               ` Jens Axboe
2017-10-13 16:31           ` Bart Van Assche
2017-10-13 16:33             ` Jens Axboe
2017-10-13 16:45             ` Ming Lei
2017-10-13 17:08               ` Bart Van Assche
2017-10-13 17:29                 ` Ming Lei
2017-10-13 17:47                   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-10-16 11:30                   ` Hannes Reinecke
2017-10-16 16:06                     ` Bart Van Assche
2017-10-17  1:29                     ` Ming Lei
2017-10-17  6:38                       ` Hannes Reinecke
2017-10-17  9:36                         ` Ming Lei
2017-10-17 18:09                         ` Bart Van Assche
2017-10-13 16:17         ` Ming Lei
2017-10-13 16:20           ` Jens Axboe
2017-10-13 16:22             ` Ming Lei
2017-10-13 16:28               ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2017-10-12 18:37 ` [PATCH V7 5/6] blk-mq-sched: improve dispatching from sw queue Ming Lei
2017-10-12 18:48   ` Bart Van Assche
2017-10-13  0:20     ` Ming Lei
2017-10-12 18:37 ` [PATCH V7 6/6] SCSI: implement .get_budget and .put_budget for blk-mq Ming Lei

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