From: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Cc: ljs@kernel.org, liam@infradead.org, vbabka@kernel.org,
rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com, mhocko@suse.com,
qi.zheng@linux.dev, jack@suse.cz, pfalcato@suse.de,
ayushr@modal.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm: memory: fix truncation removing mapped folios
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2026 09:47:18 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b1a9b500-0ddc-4791-9e1f-00087e367426@linux.alibaba.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f7735584-e020-4ee1-8afb-2b5d580cfa49@kernel.org>
On 10/16/26 3:00 AM, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 10/15/26 08:41, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/14/26 9:25 PM, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>> On 10/13/26 11:36, Baolin Wang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had considered this approach before, but it is not feasible. IIUC, the
>>>> sync_with_folio_pmd_zap() is used to address the race with zap_huge_pmd(), and
>>>> both the PMD clear and the folio mapcount decrement are performed under the PMD
>>>> lock in zap_huge_pmd().
>>>
>>> Just to be clear, I am thinking about something like the following on the
>>> zap_pmd_range() side:
>>>
>>> diff --git a/mm/internal.h b/mm/internal.h
>>> index 38b1165212c94..a8820ad7e2f21 100644
>>> --- a/mm/internal.h
>>> +++ b/mm/internal.h
>>> @@ -584,14 +584,15 @@ void free_pgtables(struct mmu_gather *tlb, struct
>>> unmap_desc *desc);
>>> void pmd_install(struct mm_struct *mm, pmd_t *pmd, pgtable_t *pte);
>>>
>>> /**
>>> - * sync_with_folio_pmd_zap - sync with concurrent zapping of a folio PMD
>>> + * sync_with_folio_pmd_zap - sync with concurrent zapping of folios
>>> * @mm: The mm_struct.
>>> * @pmdp: Pointer to the pmd that was found to be pmd_none().
>>> *
>>> * When we find a pmd_none() while unmapping a folio without holding the PTL,
>>> - * zap_huge_pmd() may have cleared the PMD but not yet modified the folio to
>>> - * indicate that it's unmapped. Skipping the PMD without synchronization could
>>> - * make folio unmapping code assume that unmapping failed.
>>> + * zap_huge_pmd() or zap_empty_pte_table() may have cleared the PMD but not
>>> + * yet modified the mapped folios to indicate they are unmapped. Skipping the
>>> + * PMD without synchronization could make folio unmapping code assume that
>>> + * unmapping failed.
>>> *
>>> * Wait for concurrent zapping to complete by grabbing the PTL.
>>> */
>>> diff --git a/mm/memory.c b/mm/memory.c
>>> index 8b0c2c735d3de..c585f5eb255c9 100644
>>> --- a/mm/memory.c
>>> +++ b/mm/memory.c
>>> @@ -2139,9 +2139,7 @@ static inline unsigned long zap_pmd_range(struct
>>> mmu_gather *tlb,
>>> continue;
>>> }
>>> /* fall through */
>>> - } else if (details && details->single_folio &&
>>> - folio_test_pmd_mappable(details->single_folio) &&
>>> - next - addr == HPAGE_PMD_SIZE && pmd_none(*pmd)) {
>>> + } else if (details && details->single_folio && pmd_none(*pmd)) {
>>> sync_with_folio_pmd_zap(tlb->mm, pmd);
>>> }
>>> if (pmd_none(*pmd)) {
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I've considered that. However, implicit memory barriers give me a headache,
>> so I ended up going with explicit memory barriers (suggested by Pedro).
>>
>> If you don't like memory barriers, let me re-check whether the implicit memory
>> barriers here can ensure race safety with sync_with_folio_pmd_zap(). A
>> simplified logic is as follows:
>>
>> CPU 0 (truncation) CPU 1 (zapping)
>> down_read() ->Acquire A1. pte spin_lock() ->Acquire A4
>> clear mapcount
>>
>> pmd spin_lock() ->Acquire A5
>> clear pmd
>> pmd spin_unlock() ->Release R5
>>
>> if (pmd_none()) { //read pmd
>> pte spin_unlock() ->Release R4
>> pmd spin_lock() ->Acquire A2
>> pmd spin_unlock() ->Release R2
>> }
>> up_read() -> Release R1
>>
>> spin_lock(y) ->Acquire A3
>> folio_mapped() // read mapcount
>> spin_unlock(y) ->Release R3
>>
>> CPU 0 constraints:
>> 1. R2 is a release, so "read pmd" completes before R2.
>> 2. A2 completes before A3 (ACQUIRE vs ACQUIRE).
>> 3. "read mapcount" completes after A3, hence after A2.
>>
>> CPU 1 constraints:
>> 1. R5 is a release. Both "clear mapcount" and "clear pmd" complete before R5.
>>
>> According to above constraints, if CPU0 sees pmd_none() caused by CPU1's clear
>> pmd, and CPU0 then acquires the same pmd lock released by CPU1 at R5, then
>> CPU1's clear mapcount happens before CPU0's later folio_mapped().
>>
>> Therefore folio_mapped() is guaranteed not to read the old mapcount in this
>> case. So I think sync_with_folio_pmd_zap() can work, but needs a small change to
>> avoid the double pmd_none() check.
>
>
> I'd be okay with some (follow-up?) memory barrier handling inside
> sync_with_folio_pmd_zap(), for example, based on the folio size and with proper
> documentation why we need the PT lock in one case and why the memory barrier is
> ok in the other case.
I'm afraid that we can't fit all the memory barriers into
sync_with_folio_pmd_zap(). As the current patch does, we need memory
barriers on both the writer and reader sides.
>> David, does the following diff look good to you?
>
> I think we should extend the sync_with_folio_pmd_zap() doc as suggested.
Ack.
>> diff --git a/mm/memory.c b/mm/memory.c
>> index 6a8e7772b8d6..c0aadab1b59e 100644
>> --- a/mm/memory.c
>> +++ b/mm/memory.c
>> @@ -2036,6 +2036,15 @@ static unsigned long zap_pte_range(struct mmu_gather *tlb,
>> }
>> } while (pte += nr, addr += PAGE_SIZE * nr, addr != end);
>>
>> + add_mm_rss_vec(mm, rss);
>> + lazy_mmu_mode_disable();
>> +
>> + /* Do the actual TLB flush before dropping ptl */
>> + if (force_flush) {
>> + tlb_flush_mmu_tlbonly(tlb);
>> + tlb_flush_rmaps(tlb, vma);
>> + }
>> +
>> /*
>> * Fast path: try to hold the pmd lock and unmap the PTE page.
>> *
>> @@ -2044,16 +2053,8 @@ static unsigned long zap_pte_range(struct mmu_gather *tlb,
>> * to ensure they are still none, thereby preventing the pte entries
>> * from being repopulated by another thread.
>> */
>> - if (can_reclaim_pt && direct_reclaim && addr == end)
>> + if (can_reclaim_pt && direct_reclaim && addr == end) {
>> direct_reclaim = zap_empty_pte_table(mm, pmd, ptl, &pmdval);
>> -
>> - add_mm_rss_vec(mm, rss);
>> - lazy_mmu_mode_disable();
>> -
>> - /* Do the actual TLB flush before dropping ptl */
>> - if (force_flush) {
>> - tlb_flush_mmu_tlbonly(tlb);
>> - tlb_flush_rmaps(tlb, vma);
>> }
>> pte_unmap_unlock(start_pte, ptl);
>>
>> @@ -2102,12 +2103,11 @@ static inline unsigned long zap_pmd_range(struct
>> mmu_gather *tlb,
>> continue;
>> }
>> /* fall through */
>> - } else if (details && details->single_folio &&
>> - folio_test_pmd_mappable(details->single_folio) &&
>> - next - addr == HPAGE_PMD_SIZE && pmd_none(*pmd)) {
>> - sync_with_folio_pmd_zap(tlb->mm, pmd);
>> }
>> +
>> if (pmd_none(*pmd)) {
>> + if (details && details->single_folio)
>> + sync_with_folio_pmd_zap(tlb->mm, pmd);
>> addr = next;
>> continue;
>> }
>
> We do have another sync_with_folio_pmd_zap() user in page_vma_mapped_walk(),
> does that one need care as well?
Good point. But I don't want to add page_vma_mapped_walk() changes into
this fix patch. I need to analyze all callers of page_vma_mapped_walk()
and the potential races. I'll look into whether it should be changed in
a follow-up patch.
Thanks for your comments.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-16 1:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-10-10 7:22 Baolin Wang
2026-10-12 10:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-13 9:36 ` Baolin Wang
2026-10-14 13:25 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-14 14:05 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-10-14 18:44 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-15 6:41 ` Baolin Wang
2026-10-15 19:00 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-10-16 1:47 ` Baolin Wang [this message]
2026-10-13 10:24 ` Pedro Falcato
2026-10-14 9:51 ` Baolin Wang
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