From: "Matthew Hawkins" <darthmdh@gmail.com>
To: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "George Sescher" <gesacs@gmail.com>,
"CK Mailinglist" <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
"Kasper Sandberg" <lkml@metanurb.dk>,
"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:12:28 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b21f8390707292212n2c580bd8o4b7654e62cfe6786@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0707291612410.3442@woody.linux-foundation.org>
On 7/30/07, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> For example, how hard is it for people to just admit that CFS actually
> does better than SD on a number of things? Including very much on the
> desktop.
Actually in benchmarks Ingo has quoted, SD was better on the desktop
(by a small margin).
CFS is still a bit bursty, though it has significantly improved with
age. I know, I did those benchmarks. That being said, I'm really
glad to see CFS in your git tree because the new framework around it
really improves the readability of the code, and actually makes it
easier to start experimenting with scheduler improvements from an
entire scheduler like SD to minor bits like priorities.
I have one concern - my benchmarking took load average as the common
denominator and CFS alters the way the load average is calculated, so
perhaps it wasn't a fair comparison. That being said, they still
showed CFS could scale very well and SD did not, so considering we're
dealing with everything from wristwatches to BlueGene/L I believe the
right choice was made. Those arguing for the 2% improvement that SD
would give them in their environment would be better off
a) helping port SD to the new scheduler framework
b) assisting Ingo in improving CFS to meet/exceed their requirements
c) giving practical assistance to anyone doing either of the above
I'm re-learning git and using my Copious Spare Time (tm) to do what I
can - but I have to admit I'm really in over my head. But hey, if
Jeff Garzik can do it, so can I. I remember when he couldn't grok C &
now he's got control over all our data :-)
--
Matt
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-07-30 5:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-07-22 21:04 Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22 22:10 ` Andre Noll
2007-07-22 22:22 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-22 23:23 ` Andre Noll
2007-07-22 23:31 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20070722233840.GJ30660@skl-net.de>
2007-07-22 23:56 ` vdso.so mislinked by buggy linker was " Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 6:03 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-23 8:02 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 12:45 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-23 14:44 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 6:07 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-22 23:33 ` Alistair John Strachan
2007-07-22 23:51 ` Roland McGrath
2007-07-23 0:07 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-23 0:31 ` Roland McGrath
2007-07-23 1:43 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-23 1:20 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23 1:23 ` Paul Mundt
2007-07-23 1:27 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23 1:40 ` Paul Mundt
2007-07-23 4:11 ` Greg KH
2007-07-23 2:48 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23 7:14 ` alpha, i386,mips,powerpc,ppc,xtensa compile brakage (was Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1) Jan Dittmer
2007-07-23 7:56 ` Stephen Rothwell
2007-07-23 13:57 ` Josh Boyer
2007-07-23 14:02 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23 9:50 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1: ACPI-related oops on x86_64 Mel Gorman
2007-07-23 17:15 ` Len Brown
2007-07-24 10:37 ` Mel Gorman
[not found] ` <46A40BC7.9030209@googlemail.com>
2007-07-23 2:42 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Gabriel C
2007-07-23 15:47 ` Bob Picco
2007-07-23 15:54 ` Luck, Tony
2007-07-23 15:52 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1, xen fix Ingo Molnar
2007-07-23 16:43 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Gabriel C
2007-07-23 16:57 ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-07-23 20:44 ` Alessandro Suardi
2007-07-24 14:49 ` Len Brown
2007-07-23 18:38 ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 19:01 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 20:24 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 20:40 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:01 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:11 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 21:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-23 21:37 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-24 17:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 18:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 18:28 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 19:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 19:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 19:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26 18:07 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-26 18:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:27 ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-24 19:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26 6:09 ` commit 7e92b4fc34 - x86, serial: convert legacy COM ports to platform devices - broke my serial console H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 22:04 ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 22:27 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 5:20 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-24 8:17 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24 8:22 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24 8:34 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 14:00 ` Dan Williams
2007-07-24 13:55 ` Dan Williams
2007-07-24 10:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-24 10:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-24 16:28 ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 18:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:05 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-25 17:44 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2007-07-25 5:09 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 11:43 ` SD still better than CFS for 3d \b(was Re: 2.6.23-rc1) Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-29 17:06 ` SD still better than CFS for 3d ?(was " Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <930f95dc0707291154j102494d9m58f4cc452c7ff17c@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-29 20:47 ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <930f95dc0707291431j4e50214di3c01cd44b5597502@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-30 1:20 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 11:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:04 ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-30 18:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 21:05 ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 16:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:19 ` david
2007-07-30 19:01 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 19:03 ` david
2007-07-30 19:08 ` Ingo Molnar
[not found] ` <op.tv90xghwatcbto@linux.site>
[not found] ` <d3380cee0707300831m33d896aufcbdb188576940a2@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-30 16:25 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 16:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-30 17:09 ` Kyle Rose
2007-07-30 16:50 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-07-30 16:58 ` Rashkae
2007-07-30 17:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-30 18:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-30 19:53 ` [ck] Re: SD still better than CFS for 3d ? Roland Dreier
2007-07-30 21:26 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-31 3:07 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 7:01 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-07-31 12:13 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-01 5:25 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-01 6:19 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-08-01 7:50 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-30 17:54 ` [ck] Re: SD still better than CFS for 3d ?(was Re: 2.6.23-rc1) Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-30 19:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 21:24 ` Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-30 21:34 ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-30 22:45 ` Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-31 9:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 13:16 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 13:32 ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 14:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 15:57 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 16:23 ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 17:02 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 14:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 16:14 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 16:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 23:46 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-31 6:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-31 8:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 9:11 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-31 9:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 9:19 ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-31 9:44 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-01 23:43 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-08-02 12:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 15:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-08 14:38 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-08-03 6:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 2:35 ` Lee Revell
2007-08-02 11:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 13:39 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-02 13:03 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <op.twbll7ugatcbto@linux.site>
2007-07-31 8:32 ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2007-07-28 2:04 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 2:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 7:09 ` [ck] " Grzegorz Kulewski
[not found] ` <954c7c800707280045t4607cebfj532ef025a7a57c05@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-28 17:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 17:33 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 18:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 20:51 ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-28 20:59 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-29 5:04 ` Roland Dreier
2007-07-28 21:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 22:16 ` Alex Besogonov
2007-07-29 9:37 ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 9:04 ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 10:28 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 10:56 ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 17:42 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 18:23 ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 18:54 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-29 19:18 ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-31 1:15 ` Carlo Florendo
2007-07-31 9:57 ` Bill Huey
2007-07-31 12:00 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01 2:54 ` Carlo Florendo
2007-07-29 20:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-29 19:25 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 8:42 ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 9:25 ` Tomas Carnecky
2007-07-28 7:36 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-28 10:40 ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-28 16:10 ` Reporting bugs (was Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1) Stefan Richter
2007-07-28 16:21 ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-07-28 9:44 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 17:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 18:07 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 19:13 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 19:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 21:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 21:55 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 22:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-01 9:21 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 10:05 ` [ck] " Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-28 11:06 ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-28 13:18 ` Michael Chang
2007-07-28 17:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 18:03 ` jos poortvliet
2007-07-28 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 19:28 ` jos poortvliet
2007-07-28 20:07 ` Bill Huey
2007-07-28 21:06 ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-28 21:32 ` Bill Huey
2007-07-28 22:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29 1:00 ` Bill Huey
2007-07-29 14:31 ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-29 18:31 ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 20:25 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-29 21:48 ` Bill Huey
2007-07-30 5:03 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-07 6:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 15:33 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29 0:03 ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-29 1:23 ` Charles philip Chan
2007-08-01 4:17 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01 5:46 ` Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01 6:16 ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-01 7:05 ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged! Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01 7:12 ` Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01 8:14 ` jos
2007-08-01 14:02 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01 18:40 ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-01 22:04 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-02 15:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-08-02 20:03 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-08-02 20:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-02 20:33 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-08-04 8:04 ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter whose " Daniel Phillips
2007-08-01 7:09 ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01 12:31 ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 21:07 ` Jory A. Pratt
2007-07-29 15:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-29 23:04 ` George Sescher
2007-07-29 23:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29 23:38 ` George Sescher
2007-07-29 23:58 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-30 5:12 ` Matthew Hawkins [this message]
2007-07-31 10:05 ` Bill Huey
2007-07-31 14:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 15:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-30 6:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 7:06 ` George Sescher
2007-07-30 7:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 9:26 ` George Sescher
2007-07-30 10:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:13 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 14:52 ` Ronni Nielsen
2007-07-28 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
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