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From: Konrad Dybcio <konrad.dybcio@oss.qualcomm.com>
To: Manivannan Sadhasivam <mani@kernel.org>
Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzk@kernel.org>,
	Ram Kumar Dwivedi <quic_rdwivedi@quicinc.com>,
	alim.akhtar@samsung.com, avri.altman@wdc.com, bvanassche@acm.org,
	robh@kernel.org, krzk+dt@kernel.org, conor+dt@kernel.org,
	andersson@kernel.org, konradybcio@kernel.org,
	James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com,
	martin.petersen@oracle.com, agross@kernel.org,
	linux-arm-msm@vger.kernel.org, linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] arm64: dts: qcom: sa8155: Add gear and rate limit properties to UFS
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 19:06:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b235e338-8c16-439b-b7a5-24856893fb5d@oss.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jogwisri2gs77j5cs3xwyezmfsotnizvlruzzelemdj5xadqh4@loe7fsatoass>

On 8/5/25 6:55 PM, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 05, 2025 at 03:16:33PM GMT, Konrad Dybcio wrote:
>> On 8/1/25 2:19 PM, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 01, 2025 at 11:12:42AM GMT, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>>>> On 01/08/2025 11:10, Ram Kumar Dwivedi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 01-Aug-25 1:58 PM, Manivannan Sadhasivam wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 09:48:53AM GMT, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 22/07/2025 18:11, Ram Kumar Dwivedi wrote:
>>>>>>>> Add optional limit-hs-gear and limit-rate properties to the UFS node to
>>>>>>>> support automotive use cases that require limiting the maximum Tx/Rx HS
>>>>>>>> gear and rate due to hardware constraints.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What hardware constraints? This needs to be clearly documented.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ram, both Krzysztof and I asked this question, but you never bothered to reply,
>>>>>> but keep on responding to other comments. This won't help you to get this series
>>>>>> merged in any form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please address *all* review comments before posting next iteration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Mani,
>>>>>
>>>>> Apologies for the delay in responding. 
>>>>> I had planned to explain the hardware constraints in the next patchset’s commit message, which is why I didn’t reply earlier. 
>>>>>
>>>>> To clarify: the limitations are due to customer board designs, not our SoC. Some boards can't support higher gear operation, hence the need for optional limit-hs-gear and limit-rate properties.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's vague and does not justify the property. You need to document
>>>> instead hardware capabilities or characteristic. Or explain why they
>>>> cannot. With such form I will object to your next patch.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I had an offline chat with Ram and got clarified on what these properties are.
>>> The problem here is not with the SoC, but with the board design. On some Qcom
>>> customer designs, both the UFS controller in the SoC and the UFS device are
>>> capable of operating at higher gears (say G5). But due to board constraints like
>>> poor thermal dissipation, routing loss, the board cannot efficiently operate at
>>> the higher speeds.
>>>
>>> So the customers wanted a way to limit the gear speed (say G3) and rate
>>> (say Mode-A) on the specific board DTS.
>>
>> I'm not necessarily saying no, but have you explored sysfs for this?
>>
>> I suppose it may be too late (if the driver would e.g. init the UFS
>> at max gear/rate at probe time, it could cause havoc as it tries to
>> load the userland)..
>>
> 
> If the driver tries to run with unsupported max gear speed/mode, it will just
> crash with the error spit.

OK

just a couple related nits that I won't bother splitting into separate
emails

rate (mode? I'm seeing both names) should probably have dt-bindings defines
while gear doesn't have to since they're called G<number> anyway, with the
bindings description strongly discouraging use, unless absolutely necessary
(e.g. in the situation we have right there)

I'd also assume the code should be moved into the ufs-common code, rather
than making it ufs-qcom specific

Konrad

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-05 17:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-22 16:11 [PATCH V1 0/3] Add DT-based gear and rate limiting support Ram Kumar Dwivedi
2025-07-22 16:11 ` [PATCH 1/3] ufs: ufs-qcom: Add support for DT-based gear and rate limiting Ram Kumar Dwivedi
2025-07-22 18:54   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-07-24  7:35     ` Ram Kumar Dwivedi
2025-07-24  8:41       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-07-31 16:28         ` Ram Kumar Dwivedi
2025-07-31 17:43           ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-07-24  7:49   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-07-22 16:11 ` [PATCH 2/3] arm64: dts: qcom: sa8155: Add gear and rate limit properties to UFS Ram Kumar Dwivedi
2025-07-22 18:55   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-07-24  7:36     ` Ram Kumar Dwivedi
2025-07-24  7:48   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-01  8:28     ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-08-01  9:04       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-01  9:19         ` Ram Kumar Dwivedi
2025-08-01  9:10       ` Ram Kumar Dwivedi
2025-08-01  9:12         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-08-01 12:19           ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-08-05 13:16             ` Konrad Dybcio
2025-08-05 16:55               ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-08-05 17:06                 ` Konrad Dybcio [this message]
2025-08-05 17:19                   ` Manivannan Sadhasivam
2025-08-05 17:19                   ` Alim Akhtar
2025-08-05 17:22                     ` 'Manivannan Sadhasivam'
2025-08-05 17:36                       ` Alim Akhtar
2025-08-05 17:40                         ` Konrad Dybcio
2025-08-05 17:52                           ` Alim Akhtar
2025-08-05 18:26                             ` Konrad Dybcio
2025-08-06  4:21                               ` Alim Akhtar
2025-08-06  5:05                                 ` 'Manivannan Sadhasivam'
2025-08-06  5:46                                   ` Alim Akhtar
2025-08-06 11:25                                     ` 'Manivannan Sadhasivam'
2025-08-07 16:38                                       ` Alim Akhtar
2025-08-08 12:43                                         ` 'Manivannan Sadhasivam'
2025-08-08 15:08                                           ` Alim Akhtar
2025-08-08 18:06                                             ` 'Manivannan Sadhasivam'
2025-08-09  1:00                                               ` Alim Akhtar
2025-08-09 11:13                                                 ` 'Manivannan Sadhasivam'
2025-08-11 21:45                                                   ` Nitin Rawat
2025-09-03  4:06                                                     ` Alim Akhtar
2025-07-22 16:11 ` [PATCH 3/3] dt-bindings: ufs: qcom: Document HS gear and rate limit properties Ram Kumar Dwivedi
2025-07-22 18:31   ` Rob Herring (Arm)
2025-07-22 19:02   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2025-07-24  7:36     ` Ram Kumar Dwivedi
2025-07-24  7:48       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2025-07-23 14:41 ` [PATCH V1 0/3] Add DT-based gear and rate limiting support Manivannan Sadhasivam

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