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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Demi Marie Obenour <demiobenour@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, Linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Turning on DOITM at last
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2026 04:55:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b2986cfd-6e2c-47c8-8a42-863582ebf1fa@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5e739bc7-4252-4f64-90ab-c68fc5cc746c@gmail.com>

On 7/18/26 10:01, Demi Marie Obenour wrote:
> Is it time to go ahead and turn on DOITM?

No, I don't think so.

> - If it doesn't do anything, it's a harmless no-op.

I kinda disagree with this.

There are CPUs that enumerate support for DOITM but on which it doesn't
do anything. On those CPUs, every cycle spent twiddling it is a waste.

> - If it does something, then that something needed to be done to
>   protect code that handles secrets, such as crypto code.

I really disagree with this.

Lots of code "handles secrets".  memcpy() "handles secrets".

> - The overhead of switching it on and off is too high, so it's best
>   to just leave it on all the time.

The overhead *is* too high. It's an MSR bit that requires a user/kernel
round trip.

> - Even people who don't care about speculative execution
>   vulnerabilities, because they only run trusted code on a particular
>   server, still likely need secure cryptography.

I'm not sure where speculative execution vulnerabilities came in to play
here.

> Xen already turned it on in the past.

While I very much respect the Xen folks and their security posture, Xen
is a very different project than Linux.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-20 11:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-18 17:01 Demi Marie Obenour
2026-07-20 11:55 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2026-07-20 16:29   ` Eric Biggers
2026-07-20 17:01     ` Andrew Cooper

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