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From: Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>
To: Omer Shpigelman <oshpigelman@habana.ai>
Cc: Sunil Kovvuri Goutham <sgoutham@marvell.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org" <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"ogabbay@kernel.org" <ogabbay@kernel.org>,
	Zvika Yehudai <zyehudai@habana.ai>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/15] net: hbl_cn: debugfs support
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 17:02:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b40391d5-66d2-44be-bc83-4ac3b7bcfe08@lunn.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a1a3bafb-c64e-4960-a826-f49d4679d7a0@habana.ai>

> > If there is no netdev, what is the point of putting it into loopback?
> > How do you send packets which are to be looped back? How do you
> > receive them to see if they were actually looped back?
> > 
> > 	Andrew
> 
> To run RDMA test in loopback.

What is special about your RDMA? Why do you need something which other
vendors don't? Please solve this problem for all RDMA devices, not
yours.

This all part of the same thing with respect to module
parameters. Vendors would add module parameters for something. Other
vendors would have the same concept, but give it a different name,
different values. It was all poorly documented. You had to read the
kernel sources to figure out what kernel module parameters do. Same
goes for debugfs, driver values in /proc, /sysfs or /debugfs. So for
years we have been pushing back on things like this.

If you have something which is unique to your hardware, no other
vendor is ever going to have the same, then you can make an argument
for something driver specific in /debugfs. But RDMA loopback tests is
clearly not specific to your driver. Extend the KAPI and tools to
cover this, document the KAPI, write the man page, and let other
vendors implement the little bit they need in their driver, so users
have a uniform way of doing things over a rather of devices.

You will get a lot of pushback on everything in /debugfs, so please
review them all with this in mind.

       Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-23 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-13  8:21 [PATCH 00/15] Introduce HabanaLabs network drivers Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:21 ` [PATCH 01/15] net: hbl_cn: add habanalabs Core Network driver Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13 13:01   ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-06-13 14:16     ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-06-17  8:08     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-17 11:48       ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-18  7:28         ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-15  0:05   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-17  8:14     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-17 14:05   ` Markus Elfring
2024-06-17 15:02     ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-18  7:51       ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:21 ` [PATCH 02/15] net: hbl_cn: memory manager component Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:21 ` [PATCH 03/15] net: hbl_cn: physical layer support Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:21 ` [PATCH 04/15] net: hbl_cn: QP state machine Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-17 13:18   ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-18  5:50     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-18  7:08       ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-18  7:58         ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-18  9:00           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-24  7:24             ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:21 ` [PATCH 05/15] net: hbl_cn: memory trace events Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:21 ` [PATCH 06/15] net: hbl_cn: debugfs support Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-19 18:35   ` Sunil Kovvuri Goutham
2024-06-21 10:17     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-21 10:30       ` Sunil Kovvuri Goutham
2024-06-23  7:25         ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-21 15:33       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-23  6:57         ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-23 15:02           ` Andrew Lunn [this message]
2024-06-24  7:21             ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-24  9:22             ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-12-17 10:00             ` Avri Kehat
2024-12-17 10:52               ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-13  8:22 ` [PATCH 08/15] net: hbl_cn: gaudi2: ASIC specific support Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:22 ` [PATCH 09/15] net: hbl_en: add habanalabs Ethernet driver Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13 21:49   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-18  6:58     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-18 14:19       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-19  7:16         ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-19  8:01           ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-06-19 12:15             ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-19 15:21           ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-20  8:43             ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-20 13:51               ` Jakub Kicinski
2024-06-20 19:14                 ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-23 14:48                   ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-19 16:13           ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-23  6:22             ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-23 14:46               ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-26 10:13                 ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-26 14:13                   ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-30  7:11                     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-14 22:48   ` Joe Damato
2024-06-16  1:04     ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-18 19:37     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-18 21:19       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-19 12:13         ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-15  0:10   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-19 12:07     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-15  0:16   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-06-18 19:39     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-19 15:40       ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-20  8:36         ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-15 10:55   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-06-18 11:16     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-15 17:13   ` Zhu Yanjun
2024-06-16  1:08     ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-13  8:22 ` [PATCH 10/15] net: hbl_en: gaudi2: ASIC specific support Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:22 ` [PATCH 11/15] RDMA/hbl: add habanalabs RDMA driver Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13 19:18   ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-17 17:43     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-17 19:04       ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-18 11:08         ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-18 12:58           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-19  9:27             ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-19 10:52               ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-24  8:47                 ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-24  9:10                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-28 10:24                 ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-30 13:29                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-01 10:46                     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-07-01 12:46                       ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-12 13:08                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-14 10:18                     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-07-16 13:40                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-17  7:08                         ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-07-17  7:36                           ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-17 10:51                             ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-07-17 11:56                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-07-17 12:33                               ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-07-18  6:54                                 ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-07-18  8:31                                   ` Leon Romanovsky
2024-06-18 16:01           ` Przemek Kitszel
2024-06-19  9:34             ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-17 14:17   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-19  9:39     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:22 ` [PATCH 12/15] RDMA/hbl: direct verbs support Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:22 ` [PATCH 13/15] accel/habanalabs: network scaling support Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-19 18:41   ` Sunil Kovvuri Goutham
2024-06-21 10:21     ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:22 ` [PATCH 14/15] accel/habanalabs/gaudi2: CN registers header files Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-13  8:22 ` [PATCH 15/15] accel/habanalabs/gaudi2: network scaling support Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-17 12:34 ` [PATCH 00/15] Introduce HabanaLabs network drivers Alexander Lobakin
2024-06-19 11:40   ` Omer Shpigelman
2024-06-19 16:33 ` Jiri Pirko
2024-06-20  5:37   ` Omer Shpigelman

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