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From: "Dmitry Adamushko" <dmitry.adamushko@gmail.com>
To: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl, apw@shadowen.org,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>,
	nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: + kthread-add-a-missing-memory-barrier-to-kthread_stop.patch added to -mm tree
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:51:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b647ffbd0802231151w481fdcb5hc2a3972e7fd03f69@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.00.0802231044240.21332@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On 23/02/2008, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
>
>  On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
>  >
>
> > Yes, but still I suspect wmb() is not enough. Note that try_to_wake_up()
>  > first checks (reads) the task->state,
>  >
>  >       if (!(old_state & state))
>  >               goto out;
>  >
>  > without the full mb() it is (in theory) possible that try_to_wake_up()
>  > first reads TASK_RUNNING and only then sets CONDITION. IOW, STORE and
>  > LOAD could be re-ordered.
>
>
> No. The spinlock can have preceding stores (and loads, for that matter)
>  percolate *into* the locked region, but a spinlock can *not* have loads
>  (and stores) escape *out* of the region withou being totally broken.

it's not a LOAD that escapes *out* of the region. It's a MODIFY that gets *in*:

(1)

MODIFY(a);

LOCK

LOAD(b);

UNLOCK


can become:

(2)

LOCK

MOFIDY(a)
LOAD(b);

UNLOCK

and (reordered)

(3)

LOCK

LOAD(a)
MODIFY(b)

UNLOCK

and this last one is a problem. No?


>
>                 Linus
>

-- 
Best regards,
Dmitry Adamushko

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-02-23 19:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200802230733.m1N7XnMu018253@imap1.linux-foundation.org>
2008-02-23 16:27 ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-02-23 17:35   ` Steven Rostedt
2008-02-23 17:54   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23 18:22     ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-02-23 18:57       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23 19:36         ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-02-23 19:51         ` Dmitry Adamushko [this message]
2008-02-23 20:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-23 21:03             ` [PATCH, 3rd resend] documentation: atomic_add_unless() doesn't imply mb() on failure Oleg Nesterov
2008-02-23 21:07             ` + kthread-add-a-missing-memory-barrier-to-kthread_stop.patch added to -mm tree Dmitry Adamushko
2008-02-25 13:55         ` David Howells
2008-02-23 19:41     ` Dmitry Adamushko
2008-02-23 20:02       ` Linus Torvalds

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