From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3CEF3CEBAA; Fri, 17 Jul 2026 10:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1784284170; cv=none; b=IIoS/q529NHmLeVBWPvxEAUW1x1Ul0uYTt96TLSdLyNq9IrzuBkcashrokKrU6fPlTzUKdb3CQq+flhoHaXaAw/BdSzZJ9qjJ+9X5MXwuxsJidxNn8ipLD8hOLNTg+W+GF3qUeux3D0Q/ktfQk8yCTmljRCG1TNwinC18p8o6pg= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1784284170; c=relaxed/simple; bh=z+SNRBHxOdaBKhUrt3jtW2wJksSvGv3uTi8g6d036cg=; h=Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Subject:To:Cc:References:From: In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=DghCJk2eo37D7B2ILe13Lt3jUyHFCYtntww338CbNQsvG49ABB7dd7k/6p6M9cfMJC/VESvb1rP3eM+ZXvZEx78don8NVNUn/xjtAWGSbnWxArM621h25o1jrD7+CdUVzt7vVDFGCZAjapNaM3VpcbvfkPsWVbwPriF9jrFj1CI= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=NgR0Hnrc; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="NgR0Hnrc" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6F2981F000E9; Fri, 17 Jul 2026 10:29:24 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1784284169; bh=PjqyuT6JDO2nWu5z1vR1Yh4eYDWlp1sLYy5b4TJk0jw=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=NgR0HnrczdXcD/1Vwui/iEzXK6gAftTfQ3AjgIzbuseUCjUnLDzPwp8O3mOzI9a2w mqt5F3eVPotvhXPtk/UnVlza6W7YCO8lKFrLLVIwoCIY07RH5MdS18YCC77ysxZWFb TioElyPDP2YlRo8KDxz/GKqmXSZ5S9bqT6paelzghldsnbaAIhYAIQLkLjO3v/fK65 i3SMGFWzgB37yYjNe+cirBGLxPSG6En6s6qFYSDYajXH+NNZ2FIVTyIXNm/7F6+1UN K/VslCSiX3+iuEWb02PuGDqX2f/RUqEtylkGy6/kFfEI6J1mjHGjSMRero1OpyOsWX NTptXXbGs9tAw== Message-ID: Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2026 11:29:22 +0100 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/thp: expose deferred split folio memory usage in meminfo To: Ye Liu , "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Danilo Krummrich , Andrew Morton , Ye Liu , "Liam R. Howlett" , Vlastimil Babka , Mike Rapoport , Suren Baghdasaryan , Michal Hocko , Kairui Song , Qi Zheng , Shakeel Butt , Barry Song , Axel Rasmussen , Yuanchu Xie , Wei Xu , Zi Yan , Baolin Wang , Nico Pache , Ryan Roberts , Dev Jain , Lance Yang , Usama Arif , driver-core@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org References: <20260717063025.168436-1-ye.liu@linux.dev> <46017e29-48a3-4a74-8c5a-0be9d912deaa@kernel.org> <41bc5ca5-08ed-4aba-86a3-d7f44b16e6f5@linux.dev> From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" Content-Language: en-US Autocrypt: addr=david@kernel.org; keydata= xsFNBFXLn5EBEAC+zYvAFJxCBY9Tr1xZgcESmxVNI/0ffzE/ZQOiHJl6mGkmA1R7/uUpiCjJ dBrn+lhhOYjjNefFQou6478faXE6o2AhmebqT4KiQoUQFV4R7y1KMEKoSyy8hQaK1umALTdL QZLQMzNE74ap+GDK0wnacPQFpcG1AE9RMq3aeErY5tujekBS32jfC/7AnH7I0v1v1TbbK3Gp XNeiN4QroO+5qaSr0ID2sz5jtBLRb15RMre27E1ImpaIv2Jw8NJgW0k/D1RyKCwaTsgRdwuK Kx/Y91XuSBdz0uOyU/S8kM1+ag0wvsGlpBVxRR/xw/E8M7TEwuCZQArqqTCmkG6HGcXFT0V9 PXFNNgV5jXMQRwU0O/ztJIQqsE5LsUomE//bLwzj9IVsaQpKDqW6TAPjcdBDPLHvriq7kGjt WhVhdl0qEYB8lkBEU7V2Yb+SYhmhpDrti9Fq1EsmhiHSkxJcGREoMK/63r9WLZYI3+4W2rAc UucZa4OT27U5ZISjNg3Ev0rxU5UH2/pT4wJCfxwocmqaRr6UYmrtZmND89X0KigoFD/XSeVv jwBRNjPAubK9/k5NoRrYqztM9W6sJqrH8+UWZ1Idd/DdmogJh0gNC0+N42Za9yBRURfIdKSb B3JfpUqcWwE7vUaYrHG1nw54pLUoPG6sAA7Mehl3nd4pZUALHwARAQABzS5EYXZpZCBIaWxk ZW5icmFuZCAoQ3VycmVudCkgPGRhdmlkQGtlcm5lbC5vcmc+wsGQBBMBCAA6AhsDBQkmWAik AgsJBBUKCQgCFgICHgUCF4AWIQQb2cqtc1xMOkYN/MpN3hD3AP+DWgUCaYJt/AIZAQAKCRBN 3hD3AP+DWriiD/9BLGEKG+N8L2AXhikJg6YmXom9ytRwPqDgpHpVg2xdhopoWdMRXjzOrIKD g4LSnFaKneQD0hZhoArEeamG5tyo32xoRsPwkbpIzL0OKSZ8G6mVbFGpjmyDLQCAxteXCLXz ZI0VbsuJKelYnKcXWOIndOrNRvE5eoOfTt2XfBnAapxMYY2IsV+qaUXlO63GgfIOg8RBaj7x 3NxkI3rV0SHhI4GU9K6jCvGghxeS1QX6L/XI9mfAYaIwGy5B68kF26piAVYv/QZDEVIpo3t7 /fjSpxKT8plJH6rhhR0epy8dWRHk3qT5tk2P85twasdloWtkMZ7FsCJRKWscm1BLpsDn6EQ4 jeMHECiY9kGKKi8dQpv3FRyo2QApZ49NNDbwcR0ZndK0XFo15iH708H5Qja/8TuXCwnPWAcJ DQoNIDFyaxe26Rx3ZwUkRALa3iPcVjE0//TrQ4KnFf+lMBSrS33xDDBfevW9+Dk6IISmDH1R HFq2jpkN+FX/PE8eVhV68B2DsAPZ5rUwyCKUXPTJ/irrCCmAAb5Jpv11S7hUSpqtM/6oVESC 3z/7CzrVtRODzLtNgV4r5EI+wAv/3PgJLlMwgJM90Fb3CB2IgbxhjvmB1WNdvXACVydx55V7 LPPKodSTF29rlnQAf9HLgCphuuSrrPn5VQDaYZl4N/7zc2wcWM7BTQRVy5+RARAA59fefSDR 9nMGCb9LbMX+TFAoIQo/wgP5XPyzLYakO+94GrgfZjfhdaxPXMsl2+o8jhp/hlIzG56taNdt VZtPp3ih1AgbR8rHgXw1xwOpuAd5lE1qNd54ndHuADO9a9A0vPimIes78Hi1/yy+ZEEvRkHk /kDa6F3AtTc1m4rbbOk2fiKzzsE9YXweFjQvl9p+AMw6qd/iC4lUk9g0+FQXNdRs+o4o6Qvy iOQJfGQ4UcBuOy1IrkJrd8qq5jet1fcM2j4QvsW8CLDWZS1L7kZ5gT5EycMKxUWb8LuRjxzZ 3QY1aQH2kkzn6acigU3HLtgFyV1gBNV44ehjgvJpRY2cC8VhanTx0dZ9mj1YKIky5N+C0f21 zvntBqcxV0+3p8MrxRRcgEtDZNav+xAoT3G0W4SahAaUTWXpsZoOecwtxi74CyneQNPTDjNg azHmvpdBVEfj7k3p4dmJp5i0U66Onmf6mMFpArvBRSMOKU9DlAzMi4IvhiNWjKVaIE2Se9BY FdKVAJaZq85P2y20ZBd08ILnKcj7XKZkLU5FkoA0udEBvQ0f9QLNyyy3DZMCQWcwRuj1m73D sq8DEFBdZ5eEkj1dCyx+t/ga6x2rHyc8Sl86oK1tvAkwBNsfKou3v+jP/l14a7DGBvrmlYjO 59o3t6inu6H7pt7OL6u6BQj7DoMAEQEAAcLBfAQYAQgAJgIbDBYhBBvZyq1zXEw6Rg38yk3e EPcA/4NaBQJonNqrBQkmWAihAAoJEE3eEPcA/4NaKtMQALAJ8PzprBEXbXcEXwDKQu+P/vts IfUb1UNMfMV76BicGa5NCZnJNQASDP/+bFg6O3gx5NbhHHPeaWz/VxlOmYHokHodOvtL0WCC 8A5PEP8tOk6029Z+J+xUcMrJClNVFpzVvOpb1lCbhjwAV465Hy+NUSbbUiRxdzNQtLtgZzOV Zw7jxUCs4UUZLQTCuBpFgb15bBxYZ/BL9MbzxPxvfUQIPbnzQMcqtpUs21CMK2PdfCh5c4gS sDci6D5/ZIBw94UQWmGpM/O1ilGXde2ZzzGYl64glmccD8e87OnEgKnH3FbnJnT4iJchtSvx yJNi1+t0+qDti4m88+/9IuPqCKb6Stl+s2dnLtJNrjXBGJtsQG/sRpqsJz5x1/2nPJSRMsx9 5YfqbdrJSOFXDzZ8/r82HgQEtUvlSXNaXCa95ez0UkOG7+bDm2b3s0XahBQeLVCH0mw3RAQg r7xDAYKIrAwfHHmMTnBQDPJwVqxJjVNr7yBic4yfzVWGCGNE4DnOW0vcIeoyhy9vnIa3w1uZ 3iyY2Nsd7JxfKu1PRhCGwXzRw5TlfEsoRI7V9A8isUCoqE2Dzh3FvYHVeX4Us+bRL/oqareJ CIFqgYMyvHj7Q06kTKmauOe4Nf0l0qEkIuIzfoLJ3qr5UyXc2hLtWyT9Ir+lYlX9efqh7mOY qIws/H2t In-Reply-To: <41bc5ca5-08ed-4aba-86a3-d7f44b16e6f5@linux.dev> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 7/17/26 11:54, Ye Liu wrote: > > > 在 2026/7/17 17:48, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) 写道: >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 11:33:05AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote: >>> >>> Don't expose it to user space. >> >> Yeah please stop. >> >> We don't want this change, it exposes internal implementation details. It's a >> no. >> >> Next time send an RFC or a discussion thread. >> > Yes, sending an RFC would be more appropriate. > > I'd also like to ask if it's possible to implement this in > `/sys/kernel/debug/deferred_split_pages`, or are you completely against querying this statistic? It's not pages. It's folios. You don't know how much memory is there to reclaim. You don't know if it can even be reclaimed. You don't even know if there can be any memory reclaimed *at all*, because there are scenarios where we add folios that are actually *not* partially mapped today. You don't even know the relationship to memcgs. > > How can we quickly identify this situation? > I believe some people will still be confused: where did the memory go? Just like other caches that are shrunk on memory pressure. We do have a "split_deferred" and a "nr_anon_partially_mapped" counter in "/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/hugepages-2048kB/", maybe that helps. -- Cheers, David