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From: Nikita Kalyazin <kalyazin@amazon.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: <pbonzini@redhat.com>, <tglx@linutronix.de>, <mingo@redhat.com>,
	<bp@alien8.de>, <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, <hpa@zytor.com>,
	<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<david@redhat.com>, <peterx@redhat.com>, <oleg@redhat.com>,
	<vkuznets@redhat.com>, <gshan@redhat.com>, <graf@amazon.de>,
	<jgowans@amazon.com>, <roypat@amazon.co.uk>, <derekmn@amazon.com>,
	<nsaenz@amazon.es>, <xmarcalx@amazon.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] KVM: x86: async_pf: check earlier if can deliver async pf
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2024 15:50:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b7d21cce-720f-4db3-bbb4-0be17e33cd09@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zz-gmpMvNm_292BC@google.com>



On 21/11/2024 21:05, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2024, Nikita Kalyazin wrote:
>> On 19/11/2024 13:24, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>>> None of this justifies breaking host-side, non-paravirt async page faults.  If a
>>> vCPU hits a missing page, KVM can schedule out the vCPU and let something else
>>> run on the pCPU, or enter idle and let the SMT sibling get more cycles, or maybe
>>> even enter a low enough sleep state to let other cores turbo a wee bit.
>>>
>>> I have no objection to disabling host async page faults, e.g. it's probably a net
>>> negative for 1:1 vCPU:pCPU pinned setups, but such disabling needs an opt-in from
>>> userspace.
>>
>> That's a good point, I didn't think about it.  The async work would still
>> need to execute somewhere in that case (or sleep in GUP until the page is
>> available).
> 
> The "async work" is often an I/O operation, e.g. to pull in the page from disk,
> or over the network from the source.  The *CPU* doesn't need to actively do
> anything for those operations.  The I/O is initiated, so the CPU can do something
> else, or go idle if there's no other work to be done.
> 
>> If processing the fault synchronously, the vCPU thread can also sleep in the
>> same way freeing the pCPU for something else,
> 
> If and only if the vCPU can handle a PV async #PF.  E.g. if the guest kernel flat
> out doesn't support PV async #PF, or the fault happened while the guest was in an
> incompatible mode, etc.
> 
> If KVM doesn't do async #PFs of any kind, the vCPU will spin on the fault until
> the I/O completes and the page is ready.

I ran a little experiment to see that by backing guest memory by a file 
on FUSE and delaying response to one of the read operations to emulate a 
delay in fault processing.

1. Original (the patch isn't applied)

vCPU thread (disk-sleeping):

[<0>] kvm_vcpu_block+0x62/0xe0
[<0>] kvm_arch_vcpu_ioctl_run+0x240/0x1e30
[<0>] kvm_vcpu_ioctl+0x2f1/0x860
[<0>] __x64_sys_ioctl+0x87/0xc0
[<0>] do_syscall_64+0x47/0x110
[<0>] entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x76/0x7e

Async task (disk-sleeping):

[<0>] folio_wait_bit_common+0x116/0x2e0
[<0>] filemap_fault+0xe5/0xcd0
[<0>] __do_fault+0x30/0xc0
[<0>] do_fault+0x9a/0x580
[<0>] __handle_mm_fault+0x684/0x8a0
[<0>] handle_mm_fault+0xc9/0x220
[<0>] __get_user_pages+0x248/0x12c0
[<0>] get_user_pages_remote+0xef/0x470
[<0>] async_pf_execute+0x99/0x1c0
[<0>] process_one_work+0x145/0x360
[<0>] worker_thread+0x294/0x3b0
[<0>] kthread+0xdb/0x110
[<0>] ret_from_fork+0x2d/0x50
[<0>] ret_from_fork_asm+0x1a/0x30

2. With the patch applied (no async task)

vCPU thread (disk-sleeping):

[<0>] folio_wait_bit_common+0x116/0x2e0
[<0>] filemap_fault+0xe5/0xcd0
[<0>] __do_fault+0x30/0xc0
[<0>] do_fault+0x36f/0x580
[<0>] __handle_mm_fault+0x684/0x8a0
[<0>] handle_mm_fault+0xc9/0x220
[<0>] __get_user_pages+0x248/0x12c0
[<0>] get_user_pages_unlocked+0xf7/0x380
[<0>] hva_to_pfn+0x2a2/0x440
[<0>] __kvm_faultin_pfn+0x5e/0x90
[<0>] kvm_mmu_faultin_pfn+0x1ec/0x690
[<0>] kvm_tdp_page_fault+0xba/0x160
[<0>] kvm_mmu_do_page_fault+0x1cc/0x210
[<0>] kvm_mmu_page_fault+0x8e/0x600
[<0>] vmx_handle_exit+0x14c/0x6c0
[<0>] kvm_arch_vcpu_ioctl_run+0xeb1/0x1e30
[<0>] kvm_vcpu_ioctl+0x2f1/0x860
[<0>] __x64_sys_ioctl+0x87/0xc0
[<0>] do_syscall_64+0x47/0x110
[<0>] entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe+0x76/0x7e

In both cases the fault handling code is blocked and the pCPU is free 
for other tasks.  I can't see the vCPU spinning on the IO to get 
completed if the async task isn't created.  I tried that with and 
without async PF enabled by the guest (MSR_KVM_ASYNC_PF_EN).

What am I missing?

>> so the amount of work to be done looks equivalent (please correct me
>> otherwise).  What's the net gain of moving that to an async work in the host
>> async fault case? "while allowing interrupt delivery into the guest." -- is
>> this the main advantage?


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-25 15:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-18 13:04 Nikita Kalyazin
2024-11-18 17:58 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-11-21 18:10   ` Nikita Kalyazin
2024-11-22  9:33     ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2024-11-22 14:32       ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-19 13:24 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-21 17:59   ` Nikita Kalyazin
2024-11-21 21:05     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-25 15:50       ` Nikita Kalyazin [this message]
2024-11-26  0:06         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-26 15:35           ` Nikita Kalyazin
2024-11-26 22:10             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-11-27 10:35               ` Nikita Kalyazin

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