From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C772EDEC72 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:06:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S241110AbjIMPGI (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:06:08 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:48592 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S241079AbjIMPGG (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Sep 2023 11:06:06 -0400 Received: from casper.infradead.org (casper.infradead.org [IPv6:2001:8b0:10b:1236::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29921B9; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 08:06:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=casper.20170209; h=MIME-Version:Content-Type:References: In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=6OHd7tBuMtPmyt+/5rkrNst5I4ajKZrg6xDoJZD+PtI=; b=UqOWCFvvGSBjYUp2Rn2go0j076 dIAFUlg6Rhk1axT+hL/NHCyPEw2n4ppinScDKdbiK0L3J2GXQjGBGSBonjEilc7wDDZ8apBI6zfUo ouR4CtbQBWG3Nfr8+iyZQvBEqLCkM2/c53v7z4ykIWOgGtpluWCFAjQEyjz0bXpsEbIkfdnaMUoCJ 2KSsu5D+tILfvpiq6bKQiFjpRa+IqC2VF0kC4y/9C2oeiPzjfW87fiOomFgcg+432iLZXeIlfdHlT qtvDcUGCV2f2zQlGqvzZzMk03ocxwHcvHHYkEde0DWctpUD9y7s9hc0zGq+4/GC2j42J6AhS76G2H 8Tmq3tbA==; Received: from [54.239.6.187] (helo=u3832b3a9db3152.ant.amazon.com) by casper.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.94.2 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1qgRRD-00EXdM-B7; Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:05:55 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] KVM: x86/tsc: Don't sync user changes to TSC with KVM-initiated change From: David Woodhouse To: Sean Christopherson Cc: Like Xu , Paolo Bonzini , Oliver Upton , kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:05:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: References: <20230801034524.64007-1-likexu@tencent.com> <055482bec09cae1ea56f979893c6b67e9d6b26a2.camel@infradead.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="sha-256"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary="=-6jNSTzfyBfG4l22AdCEy" User-Agent: Evolution 3.44.4-0ubuntu2 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by casper.infradead.org. See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --=-6jNSTzfyBfG4l22AdCEy Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 07:50 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote: > On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, David Woodhouse wrote: > > Userspace used to be able to force a sync by writing zero. You are > > removing that from the ABI without any explanation about why; >=20 > No, my suggestion did not remove that from the ABI.=C2=A0 A @user_value o= f '0' would > still force synchronization. Ah, OK. Yes, you're right. Thanks. > It's necessary for "user_set_tsc" to be an accurate name.=C2=A0 The code = in v6 yields > "user_set_tsc_to_non_zero_value".=C2=A0 And I don't think it's just a nam= ing issue, In another thread, you said that the sync code doesn't differentiate between userspace initializing the TSC And userspace attempting to synchronize the TSC. I responded that *I* don't differentiate the two and couldn't see the difference. I think we were both wrong.=C2=A0Userspace does *explicitly* synchronize th= e TSC by writing zero, and the sync code *does* explicitly handle that, yes? And the reason I mention it here is that we could perhaps reasonable say that userspace *syncing* the TSC like that is not the same as userspace *setting* the TSC, and that it's OK for user_set_tsc to remain false? It saves adding another argument to kvm_synchronize_tsc() making it even more complex for a use case that just doesn't make sense anyway... > e.g. if userspace writes '0' immediately after creating, and then later w= rites a > small delta, the v6 code wouldn't trigger synchronization because "user_s= et_tsc" > would be left unseft by the write of '0'. True, but that's the existing behaviour, and it doesn't make much sense for the user to write 0 to trigger a sync immediately after creating, because the *kernel* does that anyway. I don't feel particularly strongly. Having a commit message and code comments which clearly set out the reasoning for the 1-second slop and the reasons why we want to *stop* doing it in this case, is the important part. 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