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From: "André Goddard Rosa" <andre.goddard@gmail.com>
To: "linux list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 14:26:04 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b8bf37780607231126u7e33a9dexcaa0d5a63dd6b356@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1153678231.044608.12610@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>

Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Hans Reiser wrote:
> > Theodore Tso wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, the first bits
> >>
> > yes, the first bits....   other people send in completed filesystems....
>
> Completed filesystems have a much higher barrier to entry, because they
> require a fresh review.
>
> ext4 will go upstream MUCH faster, because it follows the standard
> process of Linux evolution, building on top of existing code with
> progressive changes:

Hi, Hans!

    I think you are mostly right in your conclusions, it is sad but
true that we lose very good developers sometimes. I hope this
can be changed by emails like yours in the long run.

   I would like to see you and Christoph working again with synergy
(with harmony), but you have insulted him in the past. I regret this
happened and I think reiser4 would be already with us all if you had
focused at the technical discussion with him. I know that sometimes
it is difficult but we must all learn with Greg Kroah-Hartman, one of
the major contributors in volume to the kernel: be highly diplomatic
and respectfull. See more here:

    http://os.newsforge.com/os/06/07/23/1212252.shtml?tid=2&tid=138

    The arguments Jeff presented are super strong and are backed by an
entire past thread where Linus and others share a sharp clear vision
which I think that works very well in practice:

http://www.kernel-traffic.org/kernel-traffic/kt19991101_41.html#6

    They are _right_ (tm) here. We all know they are from our experiences
in past mistakes.

   I would like to thank you for reiser4, it is great! Please use your
diplomacy to get more reviews. After getting the code reviewed, fix the
complaints or discuss technically your POV.
   We all want reiser4 in (I do think it is great), but after reviewed by the
filesystem experts.

Thank you and the reiser4 team!

-- 
[]s,
André Goddard

       reply	other threads:[~2006-07-23 18:26 UTC|newest]

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2006-08-05 19:38                     ` Bodo Eggert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-07-26 12:43 Luuk van der Duim
2006-07-22 15:21 Luuk van der Duim
2006-07-21 19:46 Hans Reiser
2006-07-22  0:18 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-22 19:19   ` Diego Calleja
2006-07-22 13:02 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-22 14:30   ` Eric Sandeen
2006-07-22 18:33   ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-22 20:29     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-23  7:20       ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-23  9:12         ` Matt Heler
2006-07-24  4:01           ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-24  8:54             ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-24  8:13               ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-24 10:25                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-24 11:34                   ` Christian Iversen
2006-07-24 12:37                     ` Erik Mouw
2006-07-24 16:57                   ` Mike Benoit
2006-07-24 17:35                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-24 18:28                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-24 18:06                     ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-24 20:37                       ` Mike Benoit
2006-07-24 21:22                         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-24 21:51                         ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-25 15:08                           ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-07-25 20:49                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-25 23:04                               ` David Masover
2006-07-26 11:20                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-26 11:26                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-26 13:02                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-07-26 18:54                                     ` Buddy Lucas
2006-07-27  1:29                                   ` David Masover
2006-07-26  0:29                           ` David Masover
2006-07-26  0:36                             ` David Lang
2006-07-26  0:47                               ` David Masover
2006-07-31 10:58                       ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-07-31 14:47                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 15:59                           ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-07-31 16:22                             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 16:44                               ` David Masover
2006-07-31 17:34                                 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2006-07-31 18:36                                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 16:44                               ` Rudy Zijlstra
2006-07-31 17:20                                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 17:32                                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 17:46                                   ` Dan Oglesby
2006-07-31 18:11                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 18:43                                     ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 19:17                                       ` Clay Barnes
2006-07-31 19:29                                         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 20:00                                           ` David Masover
2006-07-31 21:14                                           ` Bernd Schubert
2006-08-01 14:28                                             ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-08-01 14:52                                               ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-08-01 15:29                                                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-01 16:44                                                   ` David Masover
2006-08-01 17:04                                                     ` Gregory Maxwell
2006-08-01 12:01                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-01 17:41                                                       ` David Masover
2006-08-01 18:14                                                         ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-08-01 17:19                                                     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-01 11:36                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-01 17:40                                                       ` David Masover
2006-08-01 19:27                                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-08-03 13:58                                                         ` Matthias Andree
2006-08-01 18:11                                                   ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-08-01 18:21                                                   ` Ric Wheeler
2006-08-01 11:41                                                     ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-03 14:03                                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-08-03 15:44                                                         ` Edward Shishkin
2006-08-03 17:26                                                           ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-04 17:04                                                             ` Edward Shishkin
2006-08-04 18:57                                                               ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-05  1:02                                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-05  0:56                                                               ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-06 22:19                                                                 ` Edward Shishkin
2006-08-09  8:40                                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-09 11:53                                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-08-09 15:48                                                                       ` David Masover
2006-08-07  7:57                                                           ` Matthias Andree
2006-08-08 11:06                                                             ` Edward Shishkin
2006-08-01 19:11                                                     ` David Masover
2006-08-03 14:03                                                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-08-03 16:50                                                       ` Theodore Tso
2006-08-01 16:57                                               ` David Masover
2006-08-06 22:59                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-06 23:36                                                   ` David Masover
2006-08-09  8:37                                                   ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-09  9:48                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-09  9:15                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-09 15:52                                                     ` David Masover
2006-07-31 19:42                                         ` Alan Cox
2006-07-31 19:34                                           ` Clay Barnes
2006-07-31 21:00                                           ` Gregory Maxwell
2006-07-31 21:40                                             ` Alan Cox
2006-07-31 21:43                                               ` David Masover
2006-07-31 21:54                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-31 22:02                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-31 22:21                                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-31 22:56                                               ` Nate Diller
2006-07-31 23:52                                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-31 23:43                                                   ` Nate Diller
2006-08-01  0:15                                                     ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2006-07-31 22:17                                       ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 21:21                                   ` Łukasz Mierzwa
2006-07-31 16:47                               ` Dan Oglesby
2006-07-31 17:16                                 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-31 17:34                                   ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 17:44                                   ` Dan Oglesby
2006-07-31 16:54                             ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 17:56                               ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-07-31 20:07                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-31 20:32                                   ` Adrian Ulrich
2006-07-31 19:41                               ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-31 22:53                                 ` Matthias Andree
2006-08-01  2:33                               ` Hans Reiser
2006-08-01 10:40                             ` Helge Hafting
2006-08-01 10:59                               ` venom
2006-07-31 16:52                           ` David Masover
2006-08-01  6:22                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-26 13:17                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 15:39                   ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2006-07-27 17:28                     ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-28  2:40                       ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-27 17:56                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-27 19:06                     ` David Masover
2006-07-28  2:26                     ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-23 11:48         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-07-23 20:46         ` Jeff Mahoney
2006-07-23 21:15           ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-23 23:22             ` Jeff Mahoney
2006-07-23 22:35               ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-25 19:13         ` Russell Cattelan
2006-07-25 23:51           ` David Masover
2006-07-26 14:26             ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-26 18:16               ` Russell Cattelan
2006-07-27  1:19                 ` David Masover
2006-07-26  0:44         ` David Masover
2006-07-26  7:59           ` the ' 'official' point of view' " Luigi Genoni
2006-07-26 14:33           ` the " 'official' point of view" " Hans Reiser
2006-07-26 10:38         ` David Weinehall
2006-07-24  8:41       ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-24  8:09         ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-24 10:32           ` Matthias Andree
2006-07-24 13:49         ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-23  7:20   ` Rene Rebe
2006-07-24  7:49     ` Nikita Danilov
2006-07-25 12:35       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2006-07-25 12:51         ` Rene Rebe
2006-07-25 17:47         ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-25 19:20           ` Francesco Biscani
2006-07-25 21:17           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-25 22:48             ` Jim Crilly
2006-07-25 23:48               ` andrea
2006-07-25 23:45             ` Luigi Genoni
2006-07-26 12:45           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-26 13:29             ` andrea
2006-07-26 13:43               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-26 14:28                 ` andrea
2006-07-26 14:50                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-26 16:06                     ` andrea
2006-07-26 16:53                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-26 17:02                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-07-26 17:20                         ` andrea
2006-07-26 19:01                           ` Jerome Pinot
2006-07-26 20:50                             ` andrea
2006-07-26 20:50                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-26 21:17                             ` andrea
2006-07-26 21:37                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-07-26 22:17                                 ` andrea
2006-07-27  6:56                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27  8:33                                 ` the ' 'official' point of view' " Luigi Genoni
2006-07-27 10:04                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 11:07                                     ` Luigi Genoni
2006-07-27 11:35                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 11:43                                         ` Luigi Genoni
2006-07-27 11:56                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 13:30                                       ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-27 13:42                                         ` gmu 2k6
2006-07-27 13:50                                         ` andrea
2006-07-27 14:31                                         ` Luigi Genoni
2006-07-27 18:37                                           ` Jim Crilly
2006-07-27 19:34                                             ` andrea
2006-07-27 18:43                                           ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-27 20:11                                             ` andrea
2006-07-27 12:21                                     ` CaT
2006-07-28  2:25                                     ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-28 10:01                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-28 14:05                                       ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-27 11:52                                 ` the " 'official' point of view" " andrea
2006-07-27 12:18                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 13:10                                     ` andrea
2006-07-27 13:58                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 14:45                                         ` andrea
2006-07-27 15:05                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-27 16:11                                             ` andrea
2006-07-28  2:25                                               ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-28 14:31                                                 ` andrea
2006-07-28  1:47                                   ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-27  4:35                             ` Hans Reiser
2006-07-27 13:26                               ` Horst H. von Brand
2006-07-24  2:08   ` Steve Lord
2006-07-24  7:53     ` Nikita Danilov
2006-07-24 10:30       ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-24 11:35         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-24 13:39           ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-24 15:38             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-24 16:17               ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-24 17:50                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-24 18:29                   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-26 13:08               ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-27 15:52                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-27 16:43                 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-25 21:44         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-24 22:17 ` Paul Jackson
2006-07-25  8:05   ` Hans Reiser

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