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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>,
	ubizjak@gmail.com, bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	hpa@zytor.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mingo@kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, tglx@kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] KVM: VMX: Drop obsolete branch hint prefixes from inline asm
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2026 16:11:52 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bc3784ea-3315-4e96-9cc9-7f837410e7d9@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aYyjw0FxDfNqgPDn@google.com>

On 11/02/2026 3:44 pm, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2026, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>> On 11/02/2026 1:43 pm, David Laight wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 Feb 2026 10:57:31 +0000
>>> Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Remove explicit branch hint prefixes (.byte 0x2e / 0x3e) from VMX
>>>>> inline assembly sequences.
>>>>>
>>>>> These prefixes (CS/DS segment overrides used as branch hints on
>>>>> very old x86 CPUs) have been ignored by modern processors for a
>>>>> long time. Keeping them provides no measurable benefit and only
>>>>> enlarges the generated code.  
>>>> It's actually worse than this.
>>>>
>>>> The branch-taken hint has new meaning in Lion Cove cores and later,
>>>> along with a warning saying "performance penalty for misuse".
>>>>
>>>> i.e. "only insert this prefix after profiling".
>>> Don't they really have much the same meaning as before?
>> Architecturally yes, microarchitecturally very much not.
>>
>> For a branch known to the predictor, there is no effect.  If a branch
>> unknown to the predictor gets decoded, it triggers a frontend flush and
>> resteer.
>>
>> It is only useful for programs large enough to exceed the working set of
>> the conditional predictor, and for which certain branches are known to
>> be ~always taken.
>>
>> Putting the prefix on a branch that isn't ~always taken is worse than
>> not having the prefix in the first place, hence the warning.
> These branches indeed ~always follow the hinted path (not taken in this case).
>
> So it sounds like this definitely isn't stable@ material, and maybe even begs
> the question if dropping the hints is a net positive?

The new behaviour only exists for hint-taken. Because it only has any
effect for a branch unknown to the predictor, the behaviour without this
hint would be as if it were a larger basic block.

hint-not-takens have no behaviour since the Pentium 4 that I'm aware of.

This change is almost certainly marginal at best.  It's not as if
VMREAD/VMWRITE lead to good code gen even at the best of times.

~Andrew

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-11 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-11 10:28 Uros Bizjak
2026-02-11 10:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] KVM: VMX: Use ASM_INPUT_RM in __vmcs_writel Uros Bizjak
2026-02-25 19:02   ` Nathan Chancellor
2026-02-11 10:57 ` [PATCH 1/2] KVM: VMX: Drop obsolete branch hint prefixes from inline asm Andrew Cooper
2026-02-11 13:36   ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11 13:43   ` David Laight
2026-02-11 13:55     ` Andrew Cooper
2026-02-11 15:44       ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11 16:11         ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2026-02-11 16:17           ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11 16:46             ` Andrew Cooper
2026-02-11 16:49               ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-11 21:35       ` David Laight
2026-03-05 17:08 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-02-12  5:33 Christian Ludloff
2026-02-12 16:18 ` Andrew Cooper

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