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From: Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>
To: Zhan Xusheng <zhanxusheng1024@gmail.com>,
	peterz@infradead.org, mingo@kernel.org
Cc: tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com, yu.c.chen@intel.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	dietmar.eggemann@arm.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de, vschneid@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, zhanxusheng@xiaomi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/cache: Don't use fits_capacity() to compare thread and CPU counts
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2026 01:31:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bc97743f-5ceb-4ecd-8f3d-1b217eb9020f@layalina.io> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261102021536.1026143-1-zhanxusheng1024@gmail.com>

On 11/2/26 02:15, Zhan Xusheng wrote:
> From: Zhan Xusheng <zhanxusheng@xiaomi.com>
> 
> invalid_llc_nr() uses fits_capacity() to compare a thread count with a
> CPU count, only for its 20% margin.  Qais's series changes
> fits_capacity() to take a CPU number as its second argument, and this
> call would then pass the CPU count as a CPU number without a warning.
> 
> Give the check its own helper.  x * 5 < y * 4 is the same comparison as
> x * 1280 < y * 1024, so there is no functional change.
> 
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260504020003.71306-5-qyousef@layalina.io/
> Signed-off-by: Zhan Xusheng <zhanxusheng@xiaomi.com>

Thanks for the patch. LGTM, although I hope we can do better.

Reviewed-by: Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>

> ---
> This keeps the 20% margin.  Qais would rather not add hardcoded
> margins, and llc_aggr_tolerance already scales the LLC size here, so
> the margin could go, but that changes when a process stops being
> aggregated.  Tim, Chen Yu, would you drop it?

Tim, Chen,

From capacity comparisons, we had issues that we move too slowly or too fast in
some cases, that's why I was trying to remove this magic number.

I'd be surprised if this gives a global win.

Is this the best we can do? What is the problem you're working around here?

I see we have other magic like llc_aggr_tolerance and llc_imb_pct etc.

> 
>  kernel/sched/fair.c | 10 ++++++++--
>  1 file changed, 8 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/kernel/sched/fair.c b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> index cfc982205b98..dfd6528d18ee 100644
> --- a/kernel/sched/fair.c
> +++ b/kernel/sched/fair.c
> @@ -1469,6 +1469,12 @@ static bool exceed_llc_capacity(struct sched_cache_group *grp, int cpu)
>  	return false;
>  }
>  
> +/* Are the running threads (in SMT siblings) below ~80% of the LLC's CPUs? */
> +static inline bool fits_llc_nr(u64 nr_threads, unsigned int nr_cpus)
> +{
> +	return nr_threads * 5 < (u64)nr_cpus * 4;
> +}
> +
>  static bool invalid_llc_nr(struct sched_cache_group *grp, struct task_struct *p,
>  			   int cpu)
>  {
> @@ -1485,8 +1491,8 @@ static bool invalid_llc_nr(struct sched_cache_group *grp, struct task_struct *p,
>  	if (scale == INT_MAX)
>  		return false;
>  
> -	return !fits_capacity((READ_ONCE(grp->nr_running_avg) * cpu_smt_num_threads),
> -			(scale * per_cpu(sd_llc_size, cpu)));
> +	return !fits_llc_nr(READ_ONCE(grp->nr_running_avg) * cpu_smt_num_threads,
> +			    scale * per_cpu(sd_llc_size, cpu));
>  }
>  
>  /*
> 
> base-commit: c339f4010dea8b0d754f84ace70cd1b089878ef8


  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-03  1:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-02  2:15 Zhan Xusheng
2026-11-03  1:31 ` Qais Yousef [this message]
2026-11-03  2:24   ` Chen Yu
2026-11-03  2:27 ` Chen Yu

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