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From: Sean Anderson <sean.anderson@seco.com>
To: Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@gmail.com>
Cc: Heiner Kallweit <hkallweit1@gmail.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	Ioana Ciornei <ioana.ciornei@nxp.com>,
	Madalin Bucur <madalin.bucur@nxp.com>,
	"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Claudiu Manoil <claudiu.manoil@nxp.com>,
	Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>,
	Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>,
	Krzysztof Kozlowski <krzysztof.kozlowski+dt@linaro.org>,
	Li Yang <leoyang.li@nxp.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Saravana Kannan <saravanak@google.com>,
	Shawn Guo <shawnguo@kernel.org>,
	UNGLinuxDriver@microchip.com,
	Vivien Didelot <vivien.didelot@gmail.com>,
	Vladimir Oltean <vladimir.oltean@nxp.com>,
	devicetree@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 00/11] net: pcs: Add support for devices probed in the "usual" manner
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 09:55:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bcb87445-d80d-fea0-82f2-a15b20baaf06@seco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20221109224110.erfaftzja4fybdbc@skbuf>

On 11/9/22 17:41, Vladimir Oltean wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2022 at 05:06:39PM -0400, Sean Anderson wrote:
>> Several (later) patches in this series cannot be applied until a stable
>> release has occured containing the dts updates.
> 
> New kernels must remain compatible with old device trees.

Well, this binding is not present in older device trees, so it needs to
be added before these patches can be applied. It also could be possible
to manually bind the driver using e.g. a helper function (like what is
done with lynx_pcs_create_on_bus). Of course this would be tricky,
because we would need to unbind any generic phy driver attached, but
avoid unbinding an existing Lynx PCS driver.

As I understand it, kernels must be compatible with device trees from a
few kernels before and after. There is not a permanent guarantee of
backwards compatibility (like userspace has) because otherwise we would
never be able to make internal changes (such as what is done in this
series). I have suggested deferring these patches until after an LTS
release as suggested by Rob last time [1].

--Sean

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20220718194444.GA3377770-robh@kernel.org/

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-10 14:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-03 21:06 Sean Anderson
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 01/11] arm64: dts: Add compatible strings for Lynx PCSs Sean Anderson
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 02/11] powerpc: " Sean Anderson
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 03/11] net: dsa: ocelot: suppress PHY device scanning on the internal MDIO bus Sean Anderson
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 04/11] net: pcs: Add subsystem Sean Anderson
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 05/11] net: pcs: lynx: Convert to an MDIO driver Sean Anderson
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 06/11] net: enetc: Convert to use PCS subsystem Sean Anderson
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 07/11] net: dsa: felix: Convert to use PCS driver Sean Anderson
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 08/11] of: property: Add device link support for PCS Sean Anderson
2022-11-07 20:10   ` Rob Herring
2022-11-07 20:22     ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-11-07 20:50       ` Sean Anderson
2022-11-07 21:36         ` Rob Herring
2022-11-08 20:56           ` Saravana Kannan
2022-11-09 21:56             ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 09/11] [DO NOT MERGE] net: dpaa: Convert to use PCS subsystem Sean Anderson
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 10/11] [DO NOT MERGE] net: dpaa2: " Sean Anderson
2022-11-03 21:06 ` [PATCH net-next v2 11/11] [DO NOT MERGE] net: pcs: lynx: Remove non-device functionality Sean Anderson
2022-11-09 22:41 ` [PATCH net-next v2 00/11] net: pcs: Add support for devices probed in the "usual" manner Vladimir Oltean
2022-11-10 14:55   ` Sean Anderson [this message]
2022-11-10 15:29     ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-11-10 15:39       ` Sean Anderson
2022-11-10 16:00         ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-11-10 16:56           ` Sean Anderson
2022-11-14 17:23             ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-11-14 18:08               ` Sean Anderson
2022-11-14 19:53                 ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-11-17 13:38                   ` Rob Herring
2022-11-10 16:01       ` Andrew Lunn
2022-11-10 16:32         ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-11-09 22:59 ` Vladimir Oltean
2022-11-10 15:15   ` Sean Anderson

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