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From: Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	mingo@elte.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	robert.richter@amd.com, fweisbec@gmail.com,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/14] perf, x86: PEBS infrastructure
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2010 11:11:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bd4cb8901003051111h4ef4de03i426dc82c7e25b8d3@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1267780810.16716.51.camel@laptop>

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:20 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 17:19 +1100, Paul Mackerras wrote:
>> On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 03:00:52PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>
>> > Implement a simple PEBS model that always takes a single PEBS event at
>> > a time. This is done so that the interaction with the rest of the
>> > system is as expected (freq adjust, period randomization, lbr).
>> >
>> > Signed-off-by: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
>> > LKML-Reference: <new-submission>
>> > ---
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > @@ -203,8 +203,9 @@ struct perf_event_attr {
>> >                             enable_on_exec :  1, /* next exec enables     */
>> >                             task           :  1, /* trace fork/exit       */
>> >                             watermark      :  1, /* wakeup_watermark      */
>> > +                           precise        :  1, /* OoO invariant counter */
>>
>> Could you explain in a bit more detail what this means?
>>
>> Also, it would be good to mention the ABI addition in the patch
>> description, and explain it briefly there.
>
> Quite so, my bad.
>
> So on Intel regular PMIs can happen several instructions later than the
> actual event due to out-of-order processing of the instruction stream,
> that is, it doesn't keep the IP of the actual instruction that triggered
> the event, so all we have is the IP of where the interrupt happened (the
> difference between these IPs is called skid).
>
I don't think the skid is strictly related to OoO. You had skid on Itanium
which was in-order.

> Now Intel came up with something called Precise Event Based Sampling
> (PEBS) which stores a (partial) register set in some memory buffer at
> event time (trap like for some daft reason).
>
> So from that we can obtain the IP of the instruction _after_ the
> instruction that caused the event. This is reliably so (mostly [*]) and
> does not contain out-of-order artifacts (0-skid).
>
The sampled instruction is guaranteed to have caused the event but
it is unrelated to your sampling period, i.e., it can be N events after
your sampling period due to the way PEBS is implemented.

> So the ->precise flag tells us to use a more precise sampling method if
> available on the hardware (AMD could be using IBS to implement this for
> their instruction counter).
>
> If you look at patch 9/14 you'll see we use the Last Branch Recording
> (LBR) facility of the Intel cpus (patch 8/14) to find the last basic
> block in the instruction stream and use that to rewind the instruction
> stream to get the actual instruction that triggered the event. In case
> that works I also set PERF_RECORD_MISC_EXACT to indicate we got the IP
> dead on (mostly [*]).
>
By rewinding you get the IP of the instruction that caused the event. But the
register state is STILL reflecting the situation at retirement of that
instruction.

> I suspect CPUs that are strictly in-order, like Atom, might always have
> it right, but I need to validate that.
>
Not sure about that.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-05 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-03-04 14:00 [PATCH 00/14] PEBS and LBR support Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 01/14] perf, x86: Remove superfluous arguments to x86_perf_event_set_period() Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:10   ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 02/14] perf, x86: Remove superfluous arguments to x86_perf_event_update() Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:11   ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 03/14] perf, x86: Change x86_pmu.{enable,disable} calling convention Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:11   ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 04/14] perf, x86: Use unlocked bitops Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:11   ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 05/14] perf: Generic perf_sample_data initialization Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:09   ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf: Provide generic " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 06/14] perf, x86: PEBS infrastructure Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-05  6:19   ` Paul Mackerras
2010-03-05  9:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-05 19:11       ` Stephane Eranian [this message]
2010-03-05 19:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-05 19:51           ` Stephane Eranian
2010-03-10 13:18   ` [tip:perf/pebs] perf, x86: Add " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 07/14] perf: Add attr->precise support to raw event parsing Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:18   ` [tip:perf/pebs] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 08/14] perf, x86: Implement simple LBR support Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:19   ` [tip:perf/pebs] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 09/14] perf, x86: use LBR for PEBS IP+1 fixup Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 16:21   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-03-04 17:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 20:54       ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-03-04 20:58         ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-03-04 21:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:19   ` [tip:perf/pebs] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 10/14] perf-top: Show the percentage of successfull PEBS-fixups Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:19   ` [tip:perf/pebs] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 11/14] perf, x86: Clean up IA32_PERF_CAPABILITIES usage Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:20   ` [tip:perf/pebs] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 12/14] perf, x86: Expose the full PEBS record using PERF_SAMPLE_RAW Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-10 13:20   ` [tip:perf/pebs] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:00 ` [PATCH 13/14] x86: Move MAX_INSN_SIZE into asm/insn.h Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 15:30   ` Masami Hiramatsu
2010-03-10 13:20   ` [tip:perf/pebs] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04 14:01 ` [PATCH 14/14] perf, x86: Implement PERF_SAMPLE_BRANCH_STACK Peter Zijlstra

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