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From: Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>
To: Esaki Tomohito <etom@igel.co.jp>
Cc: devicetree@vger.kernel.org, Takanari Hayama <taki@igel.co.jp>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-renesas-soc@vger.kernel.org,
	Kieran Bingham <kieran.bingham+renesas@ideasonboard.com>,
	Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>,
	Damian Hobson-Garcia <dhobsong@igel.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [PATH 0/4] [RFC] Support virtual DRM
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 11:12:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bd64733a-d45c-a985-d99d-0fa70bacb001@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85593f2f-5aa9-6023-ecba-c5275a468b71@igel.co.jp>


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Hi

Am 22.06.21 um 06:02 schrieb Esaki Tomohito:
> Hi, Thomas
> Thank you for reply.
> 
> On 2021/06/21 16:10, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Am 21.06.21 um 08:27 schrieb Tomohito Esaki:
>>> Virtual DRM splits the overlay planes of a display controller into
>>> multiple
>>> virtual devices to allow each plane to be accessed by each process.
>>>
>>> This makes it possible to overlay images output from multiple
>>> processes on a
>>> display. For example, one process displays the camera image without
>>> compositor
>>> while another process overlays the UI.
>>
>> I briefly looked over your patches. I didn't understand how this is
>> different to the functionality of a compositor? Shouldn't this be solved
>> in userspace?
> 
> I think when latency is important (e.g., AR, VR, for displaying camera
> images in IVI systems), there may be use cases where the compositor
> cannot be used.
> Normally, when the image is passed through the compositor, it is
> displayed after 2 VSYNC at most, because the compositor combines the
> image with VSYNC synchronization. On the other hand, if we use vDRM, the
> image will be displayed at the next VSYNC, so it will be displayed after
> 1 VSYNC at most.

Other commenters already addressed these points.

> 
> Also, since the compositor is a single point of failure, we may not want
> to make it dependent on it.

The kernel is also a single point of failure.

TBH I don't think this feature should be merged until there's a clear 
use case that cannot be solved in userspace idiomatically.

Best regards
Thomas

> 
> Best regards
> Tomohito Esaki
> 

-- 
Thomas Zimmermann
Graphics Driver Developer
SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-06-22  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-21  6:27 Tomohito Esaki
2021-06-21  6:27 ` [PATH 1/4] drm: Add Virtual DRM device driver Tomohito Esaki
2021-06-21  6:27 ` [PATH 2/4] rcar-du: Add support virtual DRM device Tomohito Esaki
2021-06-21  6:27 ` [PATH 3/4] dt-bindings: display: Add virtual DRM Tomohito Esaki
2021-06-21  6:27 ` [PATH 4/4] doc-rst: Add virtual DRM documentation Tomohito Esaki
2021-06-21  7:10 ` [PATH 0/4] [RFC] Support virtual DRM Thomas Zimmermann
2021-06-21  9:24   ` Maxime Ripard
2021-06-22  4:36     ` Esaki Tomohito
2021-06-23 14:39       ` Maxime Ripard
2021-06-22  4:02   ` Esaki Tomohito
2021-06-22  7:57     ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-23  8:04       ` Michel Dänzer
2021-06-23  8:21         ` Esaki Tomohito
2021-06-22  9:12     ` Thomas Zimmermann [this message]
2021-06-21 16:05 ` Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
2021-06-22  4:03   ` Esaki Tomohito
2021-06-22  8:12     ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-22 19:12       ` Daniel Vetter
2021-06-23  6:56       ` Esaki Tomohito
2021-06-23  8:39         ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-23  9:22           ` Esaki Tomohito
2021-06-23 11:41             ` Pekka Paalanen
2021-06-25  1:55               ` Esaki Tomohito
2021-06-21  6:43 Tomohito Esaki
2021-06-22  8:04 ` Simon Ser

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