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From: Yang Shi <yang@os.amperecomputing.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	scott@os.amperecomputing.com, cl@gentwo.org
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 0/6] arm64: support FEAT_BBM level 2 and large block mapping when rodata=full
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2025 10:47:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <bf1aa0a4-08de-443f-a1a3-aa6c05bab38c@os.amperecomputing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f8cf1823-1ee9-4935-9293-86f58a9e2224@arm.com>



On 9/4/25 6:16 AM, Ryan Roberts wrote:
> On 04/09/2025 14:14, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>> On 03/09/2025 01:50, Yang Shi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am wondering whether we can just have a warn_on_once or something for the
>>>>>> case
>>>>>> when we fail to allocate a pagetable page. Or, Ryan had
>>>>>> suggested in an off-the-list conversation that we can maintain a cache of PTE
>>>>>> tables for every PMD block mapping, which will give us
>>>>>> the same memory consumption as we do today, but not sure if this is worth it.
>>>>>> x86 can already handle splitting but due to the callchains
>>>>>> I have described above, it has the same problem, and the code has been working
>>>>>> for years :)
>>>>> I think it's preferable to avoid having to keep a cache of pgtable memory if we
>>>>> can...
>>>> Yes, I agree. We simply don't know how many pages we need to cache, and it
>>>> still can't guarantee 100% allocation success.
>>> This is wrong... We can know how many pages will be needed for splitting linear
>>> mapping to PTEs for the worst case once linear mapping is finalized. But it may
>>> require a few hundred megabytes memory to guarantee allocation success. I don't
>>> think it is worth for such rare corner case.
>> Indeed, we know exactly how much memory we need for pgtables to map the linear
>> map by pte - that's exactly what we are doing today. So we _could_ keep a cache.
>> We would still get the benefit of improved performance but we would lose the
>> benefit of reduced memory.
>>
>> I think we need to solve the vm_reset_perms() problem somehow, before we can
>> enable this.
> Sorry I realise this was not very clear... I am saying I think we need to fix it
> somehow. A cache would likely work. But I'd prefer to avoid it if we can find a
> better solution.

Took a deeper look at vm_reset_perms(). It was introduced by commit 
868b104d7379 ("mm/vmalloc: Add flag for freeing of special 
permsissions"). The VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS flag is supposed to be set if 
the vmalloc memory is RO and/or ROX. So set_memory_ro() or 
set_memory_rox() is supposed to follow up vmalloc(). So the page table 
should be already split before reaching vfree(). I think this why 
vm_reset_perms() doesn't not check return value.

I scrutinized all the callsites with VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS flag set. The 
most of them has set_memory_ro() or set_memory_rox() followed. But there 
are 3 places I don't see set_memory_ro()/set_memory_rox() is called.

1. BPF trampoline allocation. The BPF trampoline calls 
arch_protect_bpf_trampoline(). The generic implementation does call 
set_memory_rox(). But the x86 and arm64 implementation just simply 
return 0. For x86, it is because execmem cache is used and it does call 
set_memory_rox(). ARM64 doesn't need to split page table before this 
series, so it should never fail. I think we just need to use the generic 
implementation (remove arm64 implementation) if this series is merged.

2. BPF dispatcher. It calls execmem_alloc which has VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS 
set. But it is used for rw allocation, so VM_FLUSH_RESET_PERMS should be 
unnecessary IIUC. So it doesn't matter even though vm_reset_perms() fails.

3. kprobe. S390's alloc_insn_page() does call set_memory_rox(), x86 also 
called set_memory_rox() before switching to execmem cache. The execmem 
cache calls set_memory_rox(). I don't know why ARM64 doesn't call it.

So I think we just need to fix #1 and #3 per the above analysis. If this 
analysis look correct to you guys, I will prepare two patches to fix them.

Thanks,
Yang

>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Ryan
>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Yang
>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Yang
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Ryan
>>>>>
>>>>>


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-04 17:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-29 11:52 Ryan Roberts
2025-08-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] arm64: Enable permission change on arm64 kernel block mappings Ryan Roberts
     [not found]   ` <7705c29b-4f08-4b56-aab3-024795ee9124@huawei.com>
2025-09-04 11:06     ` Ryan Roberts
     [not found]       ` <a985c9f0-1561-45d7-860f-2717a0a72d9e@huawei.com>
2025-09-04 13:21         ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-16 21:37       ` Yang Shi
2025-08-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] arm64: cpufeature: add AmpereOne to BBML2 allow list Ryan Roberts
2025-08-29 22:08   ` Yang Shi
2025-09-04 11:07     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-03 17:24   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-04  0:49     ` Yang Shi
2025-08-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] arm64: mm: support large block mapping when rodata=full Ryan Roberts
2025-09-03 19:15   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-04  0:52     ` Yang Shi
2025-09-04 11:09     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-04 11:15   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-04 14:57     ` Yang Shi
2025-08-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v7 4/6] arm64: mm: Optimize split_kernel_leaf_mapping() Ryan Roberts
2025-08-29 22:11   ` Yang Shi
2025-09-03 19:20   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-04 11:09     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-08-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v7 5/6] arm64: mm: split linear mapping if BBML2 unsupported on secondary CPUs Ryan Roberts
2025-09-04 16:59   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-04 17:54     ` Yang Shi
2025-09-08 15:25     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-08-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v7 6/6] arm64: mm: Optimize linear_map_split_to_ptes() Ryan Roberts
2025-08-29 22:27   ` Yang Shi
2025-09-04 11:10     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-04 14:58       ` Yang Shi
2025-09-04 17:00   ` Catalin Marinas
2025-09-01  5:04 ` [PATCH v7 0/6] arm64: support FEAT_BBM level 2 and large block mapping when rodata=full Dev Jain
2025-09-01  8:03   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-03  0:21     ` Yang Shi
2025-09-03  0:50       ` Yang Shi
2025-09-04 13:14         ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-04 13:16           ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-04 17:47             ` Yang Shi [this message]
2025-09-04 21:49               ` Yang Shi
2025-09-08 16:34                 ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-08 18:31                   ` Yang Shi
2025-09-09 14:36                     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-09 15:32                       ` Yang Shi
2025-09-09 16:32                         ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-09 17:32                           ` Yang Shi
2025-09-11 22:03                             ` Yang Shi
2025-09-17 16:28                               ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-17 17:21                                 ` Yang Shi
2025-09-17 18:58                                   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-17 19:15                                     ` Yang Shi
2025-09-17 19:40                                       ` Ryan Roberts
2025-09-17 19:59                                         ` Yang Shi
2025-09-16 23:44               ` Yang Shi

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