From: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
Bart Groeneveld <avi@bartavi.nl>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"David S . Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
Alexey Kuznetsov <kuznet@ms2.inr.ac.ru>,
Hideaki YOSHIFUJI <yoshfuji@linux-ipv6.org>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] net: Use standardized (IANA) local port range
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:07:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <bf42f6fd-cd06-02d6-d7b6-233a0602c437@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200828145203.65395ad8@hermes.lan>
On 8/28/20 2:52 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2020 22:44:47 +0200
> Bart Groeneveld <avi@bartavi.nl> wrote:
>
>> IANA specifies User ports as 1024-49151,
>> and Private ports (local/ephemeral/dynamic/w/e) as 49152-65535 [1].
>>
>> This means Linux uses 32768-49151 'illegally'.
>> This is not just a matter of following specifications:
>> IANA actually assigns numbers in this range [1].
>>
>> I understand that Linux uses 61000-65535 for masquarading/NAT [2],
>> so I left the high value at 60999.
>> This means the high value still does not follow the specification,
>> but it also doesn't conflict with it.
>>
>> This change will effectively halve the available ephemeral ports,
>> increasing the risk of port exhaustion. But:
>> a) I don't think that warrants ignoring standards.
>> Consider for example setting up a (corporate) firewall blocking
>> all unknown external services.
>> It will only allow outgoing trafiic at port 80,443 and 49152-65535.
>> A Linux computer behind such a firewall will not be able to connect
>> to *any* external service *half of the time*.
>> Of course, the firewall can be adjusted to also allow 32768-49151,
>> but that allows computers to use some services against the policy.
>> b) It is only an issue with more than 11848 *outgoing* connections.
>> I think that is a niche case (I know, citation needed, but still).
>> If someone finds themselves in such a niche case,
>> they can still modify ip_local_port_range.
>>
>> This patch keeps the low and high value at different parity,
>> as to optimize port assignment [3].
>>
>> [1]: https://www.iana.org/assignments/service-names-port-numbers/service-names-port-numbers.txt
>> [2]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=117900026927289
>> [3]: See for example commit 1580ab63fc9a03593072cc5656167a75c4f1d173 ("tcp/dccp: better use of ephemeral ports in connect()")
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Bart Groeneveld <avi@bartavi.nl>
>
> Changing the default range impacts existing users. Since Linux has been doing
> this for so long, I don't think just because a standards body decided to reserve
> some space is sufficient justification to do this.
>
Agreed.
There is a sysctl, allowing admins/distros to opt-in to whatever IANA values of the days
if they really want.
We have already many issues caused by ephemeral range being too small.
For instance I often have to debug issues caused by some distros
changing sysctl_tcp_rfc1337 to 1, hurting some real applications.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-08-31 8:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20200821142533.45694-1-avi@bartavi.nl>
2020-08-28 20:39 ` [PATCH v2] " Bart Groeneveld
2020-08-28 20:44 ` [PATCH v3] " Bart Groeneveld
2020-08-28 21:52 ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-08-28 23:14 ` David Miller
2020-08-31 8:07 ` Eric Dumazet [this message]
2020-08-29 10:37 ` Michal Kubecek
2020-08-29 13:37 ` [PATCH v2] " David Laight
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