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From: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
To: paulmck@kernel.org, Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@amd.com>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang1211@gmail.com>, rcu <rcu@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] rcu/exp: Remove confusing needless full barrier on task unblock
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2025 10:26:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c0c0f393-fa50-4437-80b2-f38d65b43fab@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <63cbab19-a7d4-4daa-8b54-58665e159e23@paulmck-laptop>



On 2/26/2025 10:04 AM, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>> I was wondering if you could also point to the fastpath that this is racing
>>> with, it is not immediately clear (to me) what this smp_mb() is pairing with
>>> 🙁
>> It is supposed to pair with the barrier in sync_exp_work_done() but then again
>> this is already enforced by the smp_mb__after_unlock_lock() chained through
>> rnp locking.
> You could interpret that "Order GP completion with preceding accesses"
> to include preceding readers, which to your point sounds plausible.
> And in that case, again as you say, the raw_spin_lock_irqsave_rcu_node()
> in rcu_report_exp_rnp() provides the needed ordering.
> 
> I think.  😉

This is for the case where readers are blocked. For the case where readers were
not blocked, and we exited the RSCS, we just expect the regular QS reporting
paths to call into rcu_report_exp_rnp() and similarly provide the full memory
barrier (smp_mb) on the now-reader-unlocked-CPU right?

Just wanted to check my understanding was correct :)

Also if I may paraphrase the ordering requirement here, we do not want RCU
readers to observe any modifications happening to data after the GP has ended
(i.e. synchronize_rcu_expedited() has returned). Similarly, we do not want
updates in the pre-existing readers to not be visible to accesses after the GP
has ended. Right?

thanks,

 - Joel

  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-26 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-13 23:25 [PATCH 0/3] rcu/exp updates Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-13 23:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] rcu/exp: Protect against early QS report Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-14  9:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-13 16:40     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-13 17:04       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-13 23:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] rcu/exp: Remove confusing needless full barrier on task unblock Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-25 21:59   ` Joel Fernandes
2025-02-26  0:08     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-26 12:52     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-26 15:04       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-26 15:26         ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2025-02-26 15:34           ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-13 23:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] rcu/exp: Remove needless CPU up quiescent state report Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-14  9:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-14 12:10     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-15 10:38       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-15 22:23         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-19 14:58           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-19 15:55             ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-02-21 15:31               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-21 15:52             ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-02-26  0:00               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-03 20:10   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-03-14 14:39     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2025-03-18 17:07       ` Paul E. McKenney

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