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From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jennifer Miller <jmill@asu.edu>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, kees@kernel.org,
	joao@overdrivepizza.com, samitolvanen@google.com,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Circumventing FineIBT Via Entrypoints
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:06:50 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c2af5771-1c16-4ac8-bc09-c33d07956358@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z65/Fpd9cnUk8TjE@ubun>

On 13/02/2025 11:24 pm, Jennifer Miller wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 09:24:18PM +0000, Andrew Cooper wrote:
>>>> ; swap stacks as normal
>>>>     mov    QWORD PTR gs:[rip+0x7f005f85],rsp       # 0x6014 <cpu_tss_rw+20>
>>>>     mov    rsp,QWORD PTR gs:[rip+0x7f02c56d]       # 0x2c618 <pcpu_hot+24>
>> ... these are memory accesses using the user %gs.  As you note a few
>> lines lower, %gs isn't safe at this point.
>>
>> A cunning attacker can make gs:[rip+0x7f02c56d] be a read-only mapping,
>> at point we'll have loaded an attacker controlled %rsp, then take #PF
>> trying to spill %rsp into pcpu_hot, and now we're running the pagefault
>> handler on an attacker controlled stack and gsbase.
>>
> I don't follow, the spill of %rsp into pcpu_hot occurs first, before we
> would move to the attacker controlled stack. This is Intel asm syntax,
> sorry if that was unclear.

No, sorry.  It's clearly written; I simply wasn't paying enough attention.

> Still, I hadn't considered misusing readonly/unmapped pages on the GPR
> register spill that follows. Could we enforce that the stack pointer we get
> be page aligned to prevent this vector? So that if one were to attempt to
> point the stack to readonly or unmapped memory they should be guaranteed to
> double fault?

Hmm.

Espfix64 does involve #DF recovering from a write to a read-only stack. 
(This broken corner of x86 is also fixed in FRED.   We fixed a *lot* of
thing.)

As long the #DF handler can be updated to safely distinguish espfix64
from this entrypoint attack, this seems like it might mitigate the
read-only case.
> I think we can do the overwrite at any point before actually calling into 
> the individual syscall handlers, really anywhere before potentially 
> hijacked indirect control flow can occur and then restore it just after 
> those return e.g., for the 64-bit path I am currently overwriting it at the
> start of do_syscall_64 and then restoring it just before 
> syscall_exit_to_user_mode. I'm not sure if there is any reason to do it
> sooner while we'd still be register constrained.

I don't follow.  If any "bad" execution is found in an entrypoint, Linux
needs to panic().  Detecting the malice involves clobbering an in-use
stack, and there's no ability to safely recover.

~Andrew

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-02-14 23:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <Z60NwR4w/28Z7XUa@ubun>
2025-02-12 22:29 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-13  1:31   ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-13  2:09     ` Jann Horn
2025-02-13  2:42       ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-22 20:43         ` Rudolf Marek
2025-02-25 18:10           ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-25 20:06             ` Rudolf Marek
2025-02-25 21:14               ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-26  2:55                 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 22:48                 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-02-27  0:41                   ` Andrew Cooper
2025-03-01 22:48                     ` Rudolf Marek
2025-03-02 19:16                       ` Rudolf Marek
2025-03-02 22:31                         ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-28 12:13         ` Florian Weimer
2025-02-13 20:28     ` Kees Cook
2025-02-13 20:41       ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-13 20:53         ` Kees Cook
2025-02-13 20:57           ` Jann Horn
2025-02-16 23:42             ` Kees Cook
2025-02-14  9:57           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-15 21:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-16 23:51               ` Kees Cook
2025-02-17 10:39                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-17 13:06               ` David Laight
2025-02-17 13:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-17 18:38                   ` David Laight
2025-02-17 18:54                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-14 10:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-14  9:54     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-13  6:15   ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-13 19:23     ` Jann Horn
2025-02-13 21:24       ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-13 23:24         ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-13 23:43           ` Jann Horn
2025-02-14 23:06           ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2025-02-15  0:07             ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-15  0:11               ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-15  0:19                 ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-14 22:25       ` Josh Poimboeuf

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