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From: Russell Haley <yumpusamongus@gmail.com>
To: jason@zx2c4.com
Cc: arnd@arndb.de, brauner@kernel.org, cgzones@googlemail.com,
	jolsa@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	mhiramat@kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: deconflicting new syscall numbers for 6.11
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2024 11:56:20 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c33b3a21-b996-43d5-bc52-992bf3444ac3@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHmME9pgFXhSdWpTwt_x51pFu2Qm878dhcQjG9WhPXV_XFXm9w@mail.gmail.com>

Since any PRNG will have the concept of re-seeding, I had to think
*really hard* to understand how a pseudo-generation number that really
means "reseed advised on change" could restrict future kernel
development, so for anyone else following along in the peanut gallery,
here's the scenario I came up with:

Suppose on some future CPU, RDRAND is improved to be essentially
perfect, with the same latency and throughput as a load from L1. So it
acts like a HWRNG, not a PRNG.  On such a CPU and with a command line
option that means "I 100% trust my CPU vendor," the kernel could
statically replace getrandom() with a function that just uses RDRAND,
and statically disable all the machinery for gathering entropy from
events and re-seeding the PRNG.

*Unless*, that is, userspace potentially needs to know when a
reseed-necessitating event has happened.

- Russell

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-07 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-04 17:10 Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-04 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-04 17:33   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-04 17:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-04 17:51       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-04 17:46   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-04 17:55     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-04 18:04       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-04 18:18         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-04 18:35           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-04 18:46             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-04 18:52               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-04 18:57                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-04 19:19                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-04 21:07                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-04 21:44                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-04 22:07                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-05  8:32                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-07-05 16:59                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-05 16:18                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-05 17:39                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-05 17:53                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-05 18:08                             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-05 18:56                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-05 19:21                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-05 19:46                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-06  0:11                                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-06  2:10                                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-06  2:56                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-06 23:26                                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-07 16:56                   ` Russell Haley [this message]
2024-07-04 18:36           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-04 18:44       ` Willy Tarreau
2024-07-05  7:01         ` Matthias Urlichs
2024-07-06  1:14   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-07-06 10:01     ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-06 14:34       ` Zack Weinberg
2024-07-06 15:30         ` Florian Weimer
2024-07-07 20:57           ` Adhemerval Zanella Netto

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