From: Balbir Singh <balbirs@nvidia.com>
To: Bharata B Rao <bharata@amd.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/4] Kernel daemon for detecting and promoting hot pages
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2025 16:28:16 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c6d9bd1c-9ae6-48ff-88ee-1dfe25eab5d4@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250306054532.221138-1-bharata@amd.com>
On 3/6/25 16:45, Bharata B Rao wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is an attempt towards having a single subsystem that accumulates
> hot page information from lower memory tiers and does hot page
> promotion.
>
> At the heart of this subsystem is a kernel daemon named kpromoted that
> does the following:
>
> 1. Exposes an API that other subsystems which detect/generate memory
> access information can use to inform the daemon about memory
> accesses from lower memory tiers.
> 2. Maintains the list of hot pages and attempts to promote them to
> toptiers.
>
> Currently I have added AMD IBS driver as one source that provides
> page access information as an example. This driver feeds info to
> kpromoted in this RFC patchset. More sources were discussed in a
> similar context here at [1].
>
Is hot page promotion mandated or good to have? Memory tiers today
are a function of latency and bandwidth, specifically in
mt_aperf_to_distance()
adist ~ k * R(B)/R(L) where R(x) is relatively performance of the
memory w.r.t DRAM. Do we want hot pages in the top tier all the time?
Are we optimizing for bandwidth or latency?
> This is just an early attempt to check what it takes to maintain
> a single source of page hotness info and also separate hot page
> detection mechanisms from the promotion mechanism. There are too
> many open ends right now and I have listed a few of them below.
>
<snip>
> This is just an early RFC posted now to ignite some discussion
> in the context of LSFMM [2].
>
I look forward to any summary of the discussions
Balbir Singh
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-18 5:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-06 5:45 Bharata B Rao
2025-03-06 5:45 ` [RFC PATCH 1/4] mm: migrate: Allow misplaced migration without VMA too Bharata B Rao
2025-03-06 12:13 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-03-07 3:00 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-06 17:24 ` Gregory Price
2025-03-06 17:45 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-03-06 18:19 ` Gregory Price
2025-03-06 18:42 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-03-06 20:03 ` Gregory Price
2025-03-24 2:55 ` Balbir Singh
2025-03-24 14:51 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-06 5:45 ` [RFC PATCH 2/4] mm: kpromoted: Hot page info collection and promotion daemon Bharata B Rao
2025-03-06 17:22 ` Mike Day
2025-03-07 3:27 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-13 16:44 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2025-03-17 3:39 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-17 15:05 ` Gregory Price
2025-03-17 16:22 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-17 18:24 ` Gregory Price
2025-03-13 20:36 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2025-03-17 3:49 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-14 15:28 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-18 4:09 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-18 14:17 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-24 3:35 ` Balbir Singh
2025-03-28 4:55 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-24 13:43 ` Gregory Price
2025-03-24 14:34 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-06 5:45 ` [RFC PATCH 3/4] x86: ibs: In-kernel IBS driver for memory access profiling Bharata B Rao
2025-03-14 15:38 ` Jonathan Cameron
2025-03-06 5:45 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] x86: ibs: Enable IBS profiling for memory accesses Bharata B Rao
2025-03-16 22:00 ` [RFC PATCH 0/4] Kernel daemon for detecting and promoting hot pages SeongJae Park
2025-03-18 6:33 ` Raghavendra K T
2025-03-18 10:45 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-18 5:28 ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2025-03-20 9:07 ` Bharata B Rao
2025-03-21 6:19 ` Balbir Singh
2025-03-25 8:18 ` Bharata B Rao
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