From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>
Cc: "Eric Snowberg" <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>,
"Ard Biesheuvel" <ardb@kernel.org>,
"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
"Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito" <eesposit@redhat.com>,
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"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
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"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
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"Masahiro Yamada" <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
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"Jarkko Sakkinen" <jarkko@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2] x86/boot: add .sbat section to the bzImage
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 09:33:56 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <caec9522f981393e6fd0f8e36ff495781828406f.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMw=ZnSPGp-jCAN+z_QdGJAgJv4=pgee_2oQ4oBqVqnye6813A@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 2023-07-21 at 14:10 +0100, Luca Boccassi wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 at 14:01, James Bottomley
> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
[...]
> > Well, my job is to be concerned about how individuals who want to
> > own their own keys, either in MoK or db, participate in this, so I
> > am mostly thinking about local signing. Whatever we decide, there
> > must be a local workflow pathway.
>
> Sure but for local signing via MoK that's obviously fine, as one gets
> to keep the pieces. AFAIK it's a different flow in Shim whether
> something is authorized by MoK, DB or the built-in cert, so having
> different policies built-in for those different cases should be
> doable. Actually at the moment even if Shim loads the image, if it
> gets authorized by DB .sbat isn't checked at all.
So let's be sure we mean the same thing here. There is really no third
party CA. Microsoft gives the distributions a signing key to allow
them to sign their version of shim. Some distributions, like Red Hat,
also embed their signing certificates in shim, so shim can distinguish
between a RH key and another key added to MokList. However, some
distributions, like SUSE, insist that all signing keys be approved by
the machine owner (so no embedded shim certs for non-enterprise) and
their shim can't distinguish between SUSE keys and machine owner
additions. Given the variances in key handling, I think trying to
distinguish between official and developer keys is a huge addition of
complexity we don't need, so there has to be a workflow that functions
for both and that workflow would seem to be allowing non-existent or
empty sbat sections. Official key holders would *always* add sbat
sections, so there's really no problem that needs a solution to be
mandated here.
James
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-07-21 13:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-07-11 15:44 Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2023-07-12 1:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-07-12 1:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-07-12 6:19 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2023-07-12 12:00 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-07-12 12:48 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-07-12 13:28 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-07-12 14:06 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-07-12 15:43 ` Greg KH
2023-07-12 16:23 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-12 16:57 ` Greg KH
2023-07-12 18:59 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-12 19:05 ` Greg KH
2023-07-12 19:35 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-12 19:42 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-07-12 19:56 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-12 20:01 ` Borislav Petkov
2023-07-12 20:16 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-12 20:07 ` Greg KH
2023-07-12 20:41 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-12 21:11 ` Greg KH
2023-07-12 21:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2023-07-12 22:32 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-12 21:20 ` Greg KH
2023-07-12 21:50 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-13 6:09 ` Greg KH
2023-07-14 0:29 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-15 6:51 ` Greg KH
2023-07-16 17:41 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-16 18:28 ` Greg KH
2023-07-17 9:22 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-07-17 11:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-17 11:47 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-07-17 14:10 ` Greg KH
2023-07-17 11:12 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-17 14:11 ` Greg KH
2023-07-17 14:06 ` Greg KH
2023-07-12 15:45 ` Greg KH
2023-07-13 8:57 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2023-07-13 9:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-07-13 14:58 ` Greg KH
2023-07-13 15:51 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2023-07-13 16:58 ` Greg KH
2023-07-13 20:49 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2023-07-13 22:04 ` Greg KH
2023-07-14 6:57 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2023-07-15 6:59 ` Greg KH
2023-07-13 13:33 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-07-13 13:52 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-07-13 20:39 ` Emanuele Giuseppe Esposito
2023-07-13 22:31 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-14 8:52 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-07-14 9:13 ` Matthew Garrett
2023-07-14 9:14 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-07-14 9:25 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-17 16:08 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-17 16:56 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-07-17 17:15 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-17 18:16 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-07-20 16:46 ` Eric Snowberg
2023-07-20 17:07 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-20 18:10 ` Eric Snowberg
2023-07-20 19:16 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-21 0:02 ` Eric Snowberg
2023-07-21 8:55 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-21 11:24 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-21 12:40 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-21 13:01 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-21 13:10 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-21 13:33 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2023-07-21 15:14 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-21 15:22 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-21 15:27 ` James Bottomley
2023-07-13 23:13 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-14 9:33 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-07-14 9:59 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-07-14 10:40 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-18 13:34 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 14:02 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-18 15:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-18 16:35 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-07-19 13:21 ` Paolo Bonzini
2023-07-19 13:34 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-07-19 15:11 ` Paolo Bonzini
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