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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Ajay Kaher <ajay.kaher@broadcom.com>
Subject: Re: [for-linus][PATCH 1/3] eventfs: Have the inodes all for files and directories all be the same
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 12:14:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ccc4234d-8a47-4c0f-808a-95e61c9c9171@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240122100630.6a400dd3@gandalf.local.home>

On 2024-01-22 10:06, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 11:38:52 +0100
> Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org> wrote:
> 
[...]
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 3:37 PM Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
>>> From: "Steven Rostedt (Google)" <rostedt@goodmis.org>
>>>
>>> The dentries and inodes are created in the readdir for the sole purpose of
>>> getting a consistent inode number. Linus stated that is unnecessary, and
>>> that all inodes can have the same inode number. For a virtual file system
>>> they are pretty meaningless.
>>>
>>> Instead use a single unique inode number for all files and one for all
>>> directories.
>>>
>>> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240116133753.2808d45e@gandalf.local.home/
> 
> Yeah, Linus wanted me to try this first and see if there's any regressions.
> Well, I guess you just answered that.
> 
>> This confuses "find".
>> Running "find /sys/" now prints lots of error messages to stderr:
>>
>> find: File system loop detected;
>> ‘/sys/kernel/debug/tracing/events/initcall/initcall_finish’ is part of
>> the same file system loop as
>> ‘/sys/kernel/debug/tracing/events/initcall’.
>
> So at a minimum, the directories need to have unique inode numbers.

[...]

> I'm using the eventfs_inode pointer to create a unique value for the inode.
> But it's being salted, hashed and then truncated. As it is very easy to
> read inodes (although by default, only root has access to read these
> inodes), the inode numbers themselves shouldn't be able to leak kernel
> addresses via the results of these inode numbers, would it?

Why use an improvised hashing function (re-purposed from
scripts/kconfig/symbol.c to a use-case which is exposed through a
userspace ABI prone to kernel address leaks) rather than simply
reserving values by setting bits in a bitmap ?

How many inodes do we realistically expect to have there ?

On my 6.1.0 kernel:

find /sys/kernel/tracing | wc -l
15598

(mainly due to TRACE_EVENT ABI files)

Hashing risks:

- Exposing kernel addresses if the hashing algorithm is broken,
- Collisions if users are unlucky (which could trigger those
   'find' errors).

Those 15598 inode values fit within a single page (bitmap of
1922 bytes).

So I would recommend simply adding a bitmap per tracefs filesystem
instance to keep track of inode number allocation.

Creation/removal of files/directories in tracefs should not be
a fast-path anyway, so who cares about the speed of a find first
bit within a single page ?

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-01-22 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-17 14:35 [for-linus][PATCH 0/3] eventfs: A few more fixes for 6.8 Steven Rostedt
2024-01-17 14:35 ` [for-linus][PATCH 1/3] eventfs: Have the inodes all for files and directories all be the same Steven Rostedt
2024-01-22 10:38   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-01-22 15:06     ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-22 16:23       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-01-22 16:47         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-22 17:37           ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-22 17:39             ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-22 18:19               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-22 18:27                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-01-22 19:37                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-22 18:50                 ` Kees Cook
2024-01-22 19:44                 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-22 19:48                   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-22 21:33                   ` Kees Cook
2024-01-25 17:40                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-25 18:07                     ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-25 18:08                       ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-26  8:07                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2024-01-26 10:11                           ` Christian Brauner
2024-01-26 16:25                             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-26 19:09                               ` Linus Torvalds
2024-01-26 13:16                           ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-26 14:06                             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-22 17:14       ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2024-01-22 17:50         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-22 18:35           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2024-01-22 19:59             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-01-17 14:35 ` [for-linus][PATCH 2/3] eventfs: Do not create dentries nor inodes in iterate_shared Steven Rostedt
2024-01-17 14:35 ` [for-linus][PATCH 3/3] eventfs: Use kcalloc() instead of kzalloc() Steven Rostedt

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