From: Indu Bhagat <indu.bhagat@oracle.com>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>,
Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
"Jose E. Marchesi" <jemarch@gnu.org>,
Beau Belgrave <beaub@linux.microsoft.com>,
Jens Remus <jremus@linux.ibm.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
Sam James <sam@gentoo.org>,
Brian Robbins <brianrob@microsoft.com>,
Elena Zannoni <elena.zannoni@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] New codectl(2) system call for sframe registration
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 01:16:47 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <cf26c916-74a0-4945-981f-0c3c9d9bfd40@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <79b59f16-3f77-4e94-ab85-dc454b1df18e@efficios.com>
On 7/22/25 11:49 AM, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> On 2025-07-22 14:21, Indu Bhagat wrote:
>> On 7/21/25 8:20 AM, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> I've written up an RFC for a new system call to handle sframe
>>> registration
>>> for shared libraries. There has been interest to cover both sframe in
>>> the short term, but also JIT use-cases in the long term, so I'm
>>> covering both here in this RFC to provide the full context.
>>> Implementation
>>> wise we could start by only covering the sframe use-case.
>>>
>>> I've called it "codectl(2)" for now, but I'm of course open to feedback.
>>>
>>> For ELF, I'm including the optional pathname, build id, and debug link
>>> information which are really useful to translate from instruction
>>> pointers
>>> to executable/library name, symbol, offset, source file, line number.
>>> This is what we are using in LTTng-UST and Babeltrace debug-info filter
>>> plugin [1], and I think this would be relevant for kernel tracers as
>>> well
>>> so they can make the resulting stack traces meaningful to users.
>>>
>>> sys_codectl(2)
>>> =================
>>>
>>> * arg0: unsigned int @option:
>>>
>>> /* Additional labels can be added to enum code_opt, for
>>> extensibility. */
>>>
>>> enum code_opt {
>>> CODE_REGISTER_ELF,
>>> CODE_REGISTER_JIT,
>>> CODE_UNREGISTER,
>>> };
>>>
>>> * arg1: void * @info
>>>
>>> /* if (@option == CODE_REGISTER_ELF) */
>>>
>>> /*
>>> * text_start, text_end, sframe_start, sframe_end allow unwinding of
>>> the
>>> * call stack.
>>> *
>>> * elf_start, elf_end, pathname, and either build_id or debug_link
>>> allows
>>> * mapping instruction pointers to file, symbol, offset, and source
>>> file
>>> * location.
>>> */
>>> struct code_elf_info {
>>> : __u64 elf_start;
>>> __u64 elf_end;
>>
>> What are the elf_start , elf_end intended for ?
>
> The intent is to know at which address the first loadable segment of
> the shared object is mapped (elf_start), and the size of the shared
> object mapping, which is the sum of the size of its PT_LOAD segments.
>
> This allows tooling to easily lookup which addresses belong to that
> shared object, for any loaded segment, whether it's code or data.
>
>>
>>> __u64 text_start;
>>> __u64 text_end;
>>> __u64 sframe_start;
>>> __u64 sframe_end;
>>> __u64 pathname; /* char *, NULL if unavailable. */
>>>
>>> __u64 build_id; /* char *, NULL if unavailable. */
>>> __u64 debug_link_pathname; /* char *, NULL if unavailable. */
>>> __u32 build_id_len;
>>> __u32 debug_link_crc;
>>> };
>>>
>>>
>>> /* if (@option == CODE_REGISTER_JIT) */
>>>
>>> /*
>>> * Registration of sorted JIT unwind table: The reserved memory area is
>>> * of size reserved_len. Userspace increases used_len as new code is
>>> * populated between text_start and text_end. This area is populated in
>>> * increasing address order, and its ABI requires to have no
>>> overlapping
>>> * fre. This fits the common use-case where JITs populate code into
>>> * a given memory area by increasing address order. The sorted unwind
>>> * tables can be chained with a singly-linked list as they become full.
>>> * Consecutive chained tables are also in sorted text address order.
>>> *
>>> * Note: if there is an eventual use-case for unsorted jit unwind
>>> table,
>>> * this would be introduced as a new "code option".
>>> */
>>>
>>> struct code_jit_info {
>>> __u64 text_start; /* text_start >= addr */
>>> __u64 text_end; /* addr < text_end */
>>> __u64 unwind_head; /* struct code_jit_unwind_table * */
>>> };
>>>
>>
>> I see the discussion has evolved here with the general sentiment that
>> the JIT part needs to be kept in mind for a rough sketch but cannot be
>> designed at this time. But two comments (if we keep JIT part in the
>> discussion):
>> - I think we need to keep __u64 unwind_head not a pointer to a
>> defined structure (struct code_jit_unwind_table * above), but some
>> opaque type like we have for SFrame case.
>
> What is the reason for making this an opaque type for sframe ?
>
So that the system call only does the work of registering the memory of
specific size as stack trace data for addr range (text_start, text_end).
IIUC, in the current proposal, the format of the stack trace
information is exposed in the arg. So when the format evolves, this will
mean additional management via some flags?
>
>> - The reserved_len should ideally be a part of code_jit_info, so
>> the length can be known without parsing the contents.
>
> I've placed reserved_len within the unwind table because I planned to
> have the jit information for a given range of text be a linked list of
> tables. Therefore, if one table fills up, then another table can be
> chained at the tail. Having the reserved_len part of each table makes
> things easier to combine into a linked list.
>
> Thanks for your feedback !
>
> Mathieu
>
>>
>>> struct code_jit_unwind_fre {
>>> /*
>>> * Contains info similar to sframe, allowing unwind for a given
>>> * code address range.
>>> */
>>> __u32 size;
>>> __u32 ip_off; /* offset from text_start */
>>> __s32 cfa_off;
>>> __s32 ra_off;
>>> __s32 fp_off;
>>> __u8 info;
>>> };
>>>
>>> struct code_jit_unwind_table {
>>> __u64 reserved_len;
>>> __u64 used_len; /*
>>> * Incremented by userspace (store-release),
>>> read by
>>> * the kernel (load-acquire).
>>> */
>>> __u64 next; /* Chain with next struct code_jit_unwind_table. */
>>> struct code_jit_unwind_fre fre[];
>>> };
>>>
>>> /* if (@option == CODE_UNREGISTER) */
>>>
>>> void *info
>>>
>>> * arg2: size_t info_size
>>>
>>> /*
>>> * Size of @info structure, allowing extensibility. See
>>> * copy_struct_from_user().
>>> */
>>>
>>> * arg3: unsigned int flags (0)
>>>
>>> /* Flags for extensibility. */
>>>
>>> Your feedback is welcome,
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mathieu
>>>
>>> [1] https://babeltrace.org/docs/v2.0/man7/babeltrace2-filter.lttng-
>>> utils.debug-info.7/
>>>
>>
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-23 8:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-21 15:20 Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-21 18:53 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-21 20:58 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-21 21:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-22 13:51 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-22 16:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-22 18:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-22 19:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-22 18:56 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2025-07-22 19:17 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-22 21:04 ` Indu Bhagat
2025-07-22 21:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-07-22 21:57 ` Indu Bhagat
2025-07-23 15:09 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-23 16:29 ` Indu Bhagat
2025-07-23 15:07 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-22 18:21 ` Indu Bhagat
2025-07-22 18:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-23 8:16 ` Indu Bhagat [this message]
2025-07-23 14:32 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-07-23 0:26 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2025-07-23 15:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
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