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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: Puranjay Mohan <puranjay@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/12] RCU pseudo-transactions
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2026 10:26:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cf8bf913-1bf9-49d6-9749-8631cee1604f@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3cb75140-1d10-4de3-86e6-c9d70edd2da5@paulmck-laptop>

On 2026-11-09 20:34, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
[...]
>> Would you prefer to add these two variants on the SRCU side, or should
>> I prototype them with the next version of this series?
>
> Your choice!

I'll do it. Adapting atomic SRCU to these needs is much more
maintainable than keeping my own copy of nearly the same mechanism.

> If you would like to do it, the trick is to make srcu_read_lock_atomic()
> and srcu_read_unlock_atomic() invoke __srcu_read_lock_fast() and
> __srcu_read_unlock_fast(), respectively, instead of __srcu_read_lock()
> and __srcu_read_unlock(), again respectively.

I'll start by making every atomic reader NMI-safe this way, as you
suggest. If David objects, we can still change it based on his
feedback.

> Then there would need to be an srcu_read_lock_atomic_irqsafe() and
> srcu_read_unlock_irqrestore(), which would (as you say), replace
> preempt_disable() with local_irq_save() and preempt_enable()
> with local_irq_restore().  There would be a flags argument that
> as far as I know requires srcu_read_lock_atomic_irqsafe() and
> srcu_read_unlock_irqrestore() be macros.  It would be good to share code
> with srcu_read_lock_atomic() and srcu_read_unlock_atomic().

Agreed. I plan to name them srcu_read_lock_atomic_irqsave() and
srcu_read_unlock_atomic_irqrestore(), as macros sharing code with the
current pair.

> And kernel/rcu/rcutorture.c would need a bit of tweaking to test
> this new interface, which should be discoverable by looking for
> the code that tests srcu_read_{,un}lock_atomic().  Maybe just make
> srcu_torture_read_lock() randomly decide between srcu_read_lock_atomic()
> and srcu_read_lock_atomic_irqsave(), and have srcu_torture_read_unlock()
> follow that decision.
>
> One potentially tricky part here is that rcutorture is not set up to
> pass a flags variable from a read-lock to the corresponding read-unlock.

I'll look at the rcutorture side as part of it.

A later version of rcu_txn will then use these readers, instead of its
own per-CPU counters.

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-10 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-16 13:33 Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 01/12] rcu_txn: Add single-writer " Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-23 18:22   ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-11-10 15:11     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 02/12] rcu_txn: Add KUnit tests Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 03/12] rcu_txn: Skip the record lookup with a Bloom filter Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-23 18:22   ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-11-10 15:12     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 04/12] rcu_txn: Add CONFIG_DEBUG_RCU_TXN Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-23 18:22   ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-11-10 15:12     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 05/12] rcu_txn: Add an hlist edited through transactions Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-23 18:22   ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-11-10 15:12     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 06/12] rcu_txn: Add a doubly-linked list coherent in both directions Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-23 18:22   ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-11-10 15:13     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 07/12] Documentation/RCU: Describe RCU pseudo-transactions Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 08/12] Documentation/litmus-tests: Add RCU pseudo-transaction tests Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 09/12] rcu_txn: Test a list writer against concurrent readers Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-23 18:22   ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-11-10 15:13     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 10/12] rcu_txn: Test a commit from atomic context Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-23 18:22   ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-11-10 15:14     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 11/12] samples: Add a cache on RCU pseudo-transactions under one mutex Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-16 13:33 ` [RFC PATCH 12/12] samples: Add a cache on RCU pseudo-transactions with a lock per node Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-23 18:22   ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-11-10 15:14     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-19  0:55 ` [RFC PATCH 00/12] RCU pseudo-transactions Joel Fernandes
2026-10-23 13:37   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-23 18:19 ` Puranjay Mohan
2026-10-27 19:57   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-10-28  1:13     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-10  0:25       ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-11-10  1:00         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-11-10  1:34           ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-11-10 15:26             ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2026-11-10 15:11   ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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