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From: "Michael Kerrisk" <mtk.manpages@googlemail.com>
To: "Evgeniy Polyakov" <zbr@ioremap.net>
Cc: "Christoph Hellwig" <hch@lst.de>, "Robert Love" <rlove@rlove.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	john@johnmccutchan.com
Subject: Re: [take 3] Use pid in inotify events.
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:43:41 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cfd18e0f0811190643j7769f768q53889bbc950ef251@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cfd18e0f0811190634g276b4a2dm5b3d5de25a5c9222@mail.gmail.com>

[RESENT, because LKML bounced some HTML that accidentally got put in the mail.]
[CC+=John McCutchan, this time with hopefully a live email address;
John, some context here: http://marc.info/?t=122633022400003&r=1&w=2 ]

Evgeniy,

On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Evgeniy Polyakov <zbr@ioremap.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Christoph.
>
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 02:19:37PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig (hch@lst.de) wrote:
> > Yes, this kind of thing should be enable using an flag to inotify1, and
> > be consistant even for rename.  Doing it as a flag to inotify1 also has
> > the advantage to be able to return an -EPERM when the feature is
> > requested but not allowed instead of letting applications that assume it
> > silently fail.
>
> So effectively you propose to have second generation of the inotify
> which will have additional pid field, which will be unused by all but
> the same uid events?

I suspect that Christoph wants the same thing as I do: some thinking
towards a future-proof design, rather than a quick hack to address the
needs of a single application.

> If you want to return -EPERM, than it will be _always_ returned for non
> sysadmin capable user, which effectively makes it unusable.

Again, appropriate flags in inotify_init1() could fix this -- e.g.,
only fill the field (and give an error if no perms) if a flag is set.

I think what is really needed at this point is some consideration of
what other extensions (if any) might be desired for inotify, and how
we might be best create a design that suits those and future needs.

Cheers,

Michael


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-11-19 14:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <acdcfe7e0811081035l56eedf05x8b3b7ee2fc01eee6@mail.gmail.com>
2008-11-08 18:40 ` [1/1] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-08 22:03   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-10 15:13 ` [take 2] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-16 23:24 ` [take 3] " Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-17 16:59   ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-17 17:15     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-17 17:23       ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-17 17:52         ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-20 13:09           ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-21 14:03             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:20               ` Michael Kerrisk
2008-11-21 14:37                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:30               ` Robert Love
2008-11-21 14:53                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 14:57                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-21 15:08                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-18 13:19     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-11-19 14:05       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]         ` <cfd18e0f0811190634g276b4a2dm5b3d5de25a5c9222@mail.gmail.com>
2008-11-19 14:43           ` Michael Kerrisk [this message]
2008-11-20 19:17             ` Ville Syrjälä
2008-11-19 14:53           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-20 22:34             ` John McCutchan
2008-11-20 23:06               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-21 18:39                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2008-11-22  7:12                   ` David Newall
2008-11-22  9:41                     ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-22 11:41                       ` David Newall
2008-11-22  9:37                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-11-24  5:08                     ` John McCutchan
2008-11-24  7:30                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov

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