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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lpieralisi@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
	Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>,
	Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>,
	 linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,  linux-pm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] KVM: arm64: Add PSCI SYSTEM_OFF2 function for hibernation
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2024 12:53:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d140bb65f02d2b0e33d176beef400d9e22bebafa.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZfB5BMfLHWhQXLZY@thinky-boi>

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On Tue, 2024-03-12 at 08:47 -0700, Oliver Upton wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 01:51:28PM +0000, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > From: David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
> > 
> > The PSCI v1.3 specification (alpha) adds support for a SYSTEM_OFF2 function
> > which is analogous to ACPI S4 state. This will allow hosting environments
> > to determine that a guest is hibernated rather than just powered off, and
> > ensure that they preserve the virtual environment appropriately to allow
> > the guest to resume safely (or bump the hardware_signature in the FACS to
> > trigger a clean reboot instead).
> > 
> > The beta version will be changed to say that PSCI_FEATURES returns a bit
> > mask of the supported hibernate types, which is implemented here.
> 
> Have you considered doing the PSCI implementation in userspace? The
> SMCCC filter [*] was added for this exact purpose. 
> 

For the purpose of deprecating the in-KVM PSCI implementation and
reimplementing it in VMMs? So we're never going to add new features and
versions to the kernel PSCI?

If that's the case then I suppose I can send the patch to clearly
document the in-KVM PSCI as deprecated, and do it that way.

But to answer your question directly, no I hadn't considered that. I
was just following the existing precedent of adding new optional PSCI
features like SYSTEM_RESET2.

I didn't think that the addition of SYSTEM_OFF2 in precisely the same
fashion would be the straw that broke the camel's back, and pushed us
to reimplement it in userspace instead.

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  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-13 12:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-12 13:51 [RFC PATCH 0/2] Add PSCI v1.3 SYSTEM_OFF2 support " David Woodhouse
2024-03-12 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] KVM: arm64: Add PSCI SYSTEM_OFF2 function " David Woodhouse
2024-03-12 15:36   ` Marc Zyngier
2024-03-12 17:06     ` David Woodhouse
2024-03-12 15:47   ` Oliver Upton
2024-03-13 12:53     ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2024-03-13 19:42       ` Oliver Upton
2024-03-13 23:01         ` David Woodhouse
2024-03-12 13:51 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] arm64: Use SYSTEM_OFF2 PSCI call to power off for hibernate David Woodhouse
2024-03-12 15:57   ` Sudeep Holla
2024-03-12 16:36     ` David Woodhouse
2024-03-13 15:34       ` Sudeep Holla
2024-03-14 11:09         ` Sudeep Holla
2024-03-14 11:27           ` David Woodhouse
2024-03-12 15:24 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] Add PSCI v1.3 SYSTEM_OFF2 support for hibernation Marc Zyngier
2024-03-12 17:01   ` David Woodhouse

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