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From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Hernan Ponce de Leon <hernan.poncedeleon@huaweicloud.com>,
	paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	peterz@infradead.org, mingo@redhat.com, will@kernel.org,
	boqun.feng@gmail.com, akpm@osdl.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, stern@rowland.harvard.edu,
	diogo.behrens@huawei.com, jonas.oberhauser@huawei.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Hernan Ponce de Leon <hernanl.leon@huawei.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix data race in mark_rt_mutex_waiters
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 10:42:24 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d1e28124-b7a7-ae19-87ec-b1dcd3701b61@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f17dcce0-d510-a112-3127-984e8e73f480@huaweicloud.com>


On 1/24/23 09:57, Hernan Ponce de Leon wrote:
>> In the case, the value read is passed into cmpxchg_relaxed(), which
>> checks the value against memory.  In this case, as Arjan noted, the only
>> compiler-and-silicon difference between data_race() and READ_ONCE()
>> is that use of data_race() might allow the compiler to do things like
>> tear the load, thus forcing the occasional spurious cmpxchg_relaxed()
>> failure.  In contrast, LKMM (by design) throws up its hands when it sees
>> a data race.  Something about not being eager to track the 
>> idiosyncrasies
>> of many compiler versions.
>>
>> My approach in my own code is to use *_ONCE() unless it causes a visible
>> performance regression or if it confuses KCSAN.  An example of the 
>> latter
>> can be debug code, in which case use of data_race() avoids suppressing
>> KCSAN warnings (and also false positives, depending).
>
> I understand that *_ONCE() might avoid some compiler optimization and 
> reduce performance in the general case. However, if I understand your 
> first paragraph correctly, in this particular case data_race() could 
> allow the CAS to fail more often, resulting in more spinning 
> iterations and degraded performance. Am I right?
>
>>
>> Except that your other email seems to also be arguing that additional
>> ordering is required.  So is https://lkml.org/lkml/2023/1/20/702 really
>> sufficient just by itself, or is additional ordering required?
>
> I do not claim that we need to mark the read to add the ordering that 
> is needed for correctness (mutual exclusion). What I claim in this 
> patch is that there is a data race, and since it can affect ordering 
> constrains in subtle ways, I consider it harmful and thus I want to 
> fix it.
>
> What I explain in the other email is that if we fix the data race, 
> either the fence or the acquire store might be relaxed (because 
> marking the read gives us some extra ordering guarantees). If the race 
> is not fixed, both the fence and the acquire are needed according to 
> LKMM. The situation is different wrt hardware models. In that case the 
> tool cannot find any violation even if we don't fix the race and we 
> relax the store / remove the fence.

I would suggest to do it as suggested by PeterZ. Instead of set_bit(), 
however, it is probably better to use atomic_long_or() like

atomic_long_or_relaxed(RT_MUTEX_HAS_WAITERS, (atomic_long_t *)&lock->owner)

The mutex code stores the lock owner as atomic_long_t. So it is natural 
to treat &lock->owner as atomic_long_t here too.

Cheers,
Longman



  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-24 15:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-20 13:55 Hernan Ponce de Leon
2023-01-20 14:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2023-01-20 15:54   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-22 15:24     ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2023-01-23 16:40       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-23 17:34         ` Alan Stern
2023-01-23 17:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-23 20:02           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2023-01-24 14:57         ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2023-01-24 15:42           ` Waiman Long [this message]
2023-01-24 15:52             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-01-24 16:04               ` Waiman Long
2023-01-26  9:42                 ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2023-01-26 12:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-01-26 14:20                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-01-26 21:07                     ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2023-01-26 22:10                       ` David Laight
2023-01-27  1:46                         ` Waiman Long
2023-03-01 16:32                           ` lock_torture results for different patches: Antonio Paolillo
2023-03-06  7:58                             ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2023-03-10 17:11                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-24 16:12           ` [PATCH] Fix data race in mark_rt_mutex_waiters Paul E. McKenney
2023-01-20 16:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-01-20 16:58   ` David Laight

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